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AMD GPU sales tanking

You said AMD need to be 30% faster, or 30% cheaper for the same performance for you consider them over Nvidia.

So by that metric the 7900 XTX should be the same price as a 4070 Super (£530 and not the £800 you suggested). Make your mind up.
 
ICDP said:
You said AMD need to be 30% faster, or 30% cheaper for the same performance for you consider them over Nvidia.

So by that metric the 7900 XTX should be the same price as a 4070 Super (£530 and not the £800 you suggested). Make your mind up.
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By that calculation the RX 7800 XT would also have to cost £370, not £425.
 
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ICDP said:
You said AMD need to be 30% faster, or 30% cheaper for the same performance for you consider them over Nvidia.

So by that metric the 7900 XTX should be the same price as a 4070 Super (£530 and not the £800 you suggested). Make your mind up.
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The 7900XTX is 40% faster than a 4070S?
 
Joxeon said:
£425 was for the launch price, now with a few months to go till next gen stuff it probably should be going for more like around £370,
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You do realise the A770 16GB is £330, given its 50% the performance of the 7800 XT what price should it be? £140?
 
Joxeon said:
What’s the most you would pay for a A770 16gb right now?
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I think it should be 20% cheaper than the RX 7600 XT, the 7600 XT is 10% faster and Intel should be 10% cheaper than AMD, i think that's fair. so about £260.

But you think the RX 7600 XT is 30% too expensive.
 
humbug said:
I think it should be 20% cheaper than the RX 7600 XT, the 7600 XT is 10% faster and Intel should be 10% cheaper than AMD, i think that's fair. so about £260.

But you think the RX 7600 XT is 30% too expensive.
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Would you buy one for £260 though? Do you think that’s a good deal?
 
Joxeon said:
Would you buy one for £260 though? Do you think that’s a good deal?
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For a 16GB GPU, yeah, its not bad, the performance is about = to a 2070 S, i had one of those its still a 1440P capable GPU, its proven to be a capable video editing GPU. see here

Its got AV1, it has ML, couple that with the 16GB its an inexpensive Stable Diffusion GPU.

Its a long way from a terrible thing, its decent, lets be fair.
 
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humbug said:
For a 16GB GPU, yeah, its not bad, the performance is about = to a 2070 S, i had one of those its still a 1440P capable GPU, its proven to be a capable video editing GPU. see here

Its got AV1, it has ML, couple that with the 16GB its an inexpensive Stable Diffusion GPU.

Its a long way from a terrible thing, its decent, lets be fair.
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Would you buy one over a similarly priced 7600?
 
humbug said:
You do realise the A770 16GB is £330, given its 50% the performance of the 7800 XT what price should it be? £140?
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You're being very harsh; the A770 does rather better than that in many games:


I own a 16 GB A770 and think that today it should be around half the price of a 7800 XT - about the £225 price point and a small premium to the RX 6600, with the A750 at £170 (a small discount to the RX 6600), the A580 at £140, and the A380 at £99.
 
If you're going to push AMD in to the realms of hair thin margins, you're pushing Intel out by proxy. No one wants that...

If AMD can't sell the 7800 XT for £450 or the 7700 XT for £380 then so be it, i don't think its healthy to push all of this too far because we think Nvidia are Apple in the GPU world.

Quartz said:
You're being very harsh; the A770 does rather better than that in many games:


I own a 16 GB A770 and think that today it should be around half the price of a 7800 XT - about the £225 price point and a small premium to the RX 6600, with the A750 at £170 (a small discount to the RX 6600), the A580 at £140, and the A380 at £99.
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The average of all those games is:
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 59%

I wasn't far off for an educated guess, but yes its a bit better than i said. "Very Harsh" is not what i did.

BFV 4K.
7800 XT 100%
A770 57%

RDR2 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 59%

FC6 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 69%

GoW5 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 55%

MSFS 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 58%

Hitman 3 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 55%

AS Valhalla 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 54%

SotTR 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 62%

TWW 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 62%

BL3 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 36%

TW3 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 77% (good result)

F5 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 50%

GOW 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 59%

DL2 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 70% (another good result)

ER 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 73% (another good result)

Pray 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 48%

CM F1 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 55%

FC ND 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 51%

ME 4K
7800 XT: 100%
A770: 78% (another good result)
 
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RX580 released in april 2017 for $229 offering GTX 980 raster performance and 100% more VRAM

7800XT launched in August 2023 for $500 offering RTX 3080 raster performance with 60% more VRAM but worse RT and upscaling.

US inflation between April 17 and August 2023 + 25.56%

GPU Inflation between April 17 and August 2023 118.34%

With figures like these I'm not surprised customers are turning their back on AMD, I'm not saying Nvidia are any better either and they themselves haven't done particularly well on gaming either but with their market share they can afford to lose customers and AMD can't.
 
Joxeon said:
RX580 released in april 2017 for $229 offering GTX 980 raster performance and 100% more VRAM

7800XT launched in August 2023 for $500 offering RTX 3080 raster performance with 60% more VRAM but worse RT and upscaling.

US inflation between April 17 and August 2023 + 25.56%

GPU Inflation between April 17 and August 2023 118.34%

With figures like these I'm not surprised customers are turning their back on AMD, I'm not saying Nvidia are any better either and they themselves haven't done particularly well on gaming either but with their market share they can afford to lose customers and AMD can't.
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RT performance, technicalities vs practicalities, with the 4070 people point at Cyberpunk: "look 16 FPS vs 22 FPS the 4070 is 40% faster...." Ok but how much faster is the 4070 if i actually want to play the game with RT? "10%!" Right so is the 7800 XT any less usable than the 4070 in RT? "That's not the narrative" What is the narrative? "Bigger bar better" We need a higher standard of journalists!
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A 3080 with todays US inflation would be $832, $700 in 2020 with 19% to 2023 US inflation = $832, so it is, or rather was 60% of the price.
 
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humbug said:
A 3080 with todays US inflation would be $832, £700 is 2020 with 19% to 2023 US inflation = $832, so its 60% of the price.
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Compared to the RX580 which was only 41% of the price of the GTX980 adjusted for inflation at time of release and lets not forget the 7800XT was considered AMDs best release this generation so it was only downhill from there.
 
The other thing that might hurt AMD at times is their "Fine Wine" drivers. I know Red Team loves to wait 12 - 18 months to get close to full performance from their hardware rather than getting it at release, but since reviews generally take place at release with release (or pre-release) drivers, AMD might look worse in reviews than they end up being 12 months later. I know some review sites will re-run some or all of the cards when they review new cards (like the SUPER cards) but it's a lot to ask for the smaller sites to do this all the time, plus it's probably a bit late in the cycle. I also doubt it's a great headline that many sites would worry about publishing.

First impressions matter and I'm not sure AMD always make their strongest showing at launch.
 
Joxeon said:
Compared to the RX580 which was only 41% of the price of the GTX980 adjusted for inflation at time of release and lets not forget the 7800XT was considered AMDs best release this generation so it was only downhill from there.
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2014 vs 2017 with 4% inflation yes, $572 vs $230 = 40%.

The RX 580 was a good card but also the highest end card AMD made, they might be going back to doing that.

Having said all of that the GTX 1060 6GB was a 2016 card = to the RX 580 and $300.
 
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