AMD has decided to extend the life of AM3 + platform.

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 12:41

I said crippled to fit AM3+, not AM3.

The fact it works on AM3 is likely more evidence for the crippling.
The backwards compatibility for AM3 on AM3+ is frigging pointless. (Don't bring up, what if people buy AM3+ boards ready for BD and put a PII in until then, as they should have brought them both out together)

And the reason it works on some AM3 boards, is down to the fact of how it was wired. BD iirc has one more bin than Phenom II CPU's, but Phenom II CPU's don't use all the pins. On the pin that BD used, on lower end boards, it's not wired/connected, on higher end boards such as the CH IV it is.

davieg · 3 Sep 2011 at 12:53

Jokester said:
It's actually a pretty shrewd move by AMD as it keeps people tied in to their hardware if they're only looking to upgrade a CPU or MB, as it removes Intel from the equation. Otherwise a brand new socket means they have to get a new CPU and MB and they then have a choice of getting an Intel based system or an AMD based system.

But wouldnt they have just gone with official AM3 support, the amount of people who think its totally impossible on any AM3 board now due to AMD's own announcements and statements is quite a lot.
The amount of times I saw well I sold my AM3 board and switched to a sandy set up due to lack of hope in BD fitting in their boards is a high number too.
As AMD made it sound like and kept denying that an AM3 board would be any use with BD, and they havent really gone to great efforts to change that statement.
However just because it doesnt make sense doesnt meant it didnt happen, it could well be true, maybe they spent too long trying to make it totally backwards compatible with AM3 and it was too late to redesign?
Yeah thats my take on the CHIV etc too, but someone from Asus did claim once that AMD gave them the heads up on what extra to wire up on them sockets.

wannabedamned · 3 Sep 2011 at 12:59

Way I'm seeing it is this.

AM3 has:
Rule A
Rule B
Rule C

AM3+ has:
Rule A
Rule B
Rule C
Rule D
Rule E

So basically anything that requires rules A-C will run on both boards, Anything requiring Rules D and E will definitely work on AM3+ board, and may work on the AM3 board, without the abilities that rules D&E provide.

Now the problem and limitations I was talking are there due to the fact AMD has had to include Rules A-C in AM3+ inorder to keep compatibility alive with AM3. If AMD had scrapped rules A-C for brand new rules 1-5. We'd see a processor that was designed without any restraints, as the processor was designed while rules 1-5 were still being set!

Anyways, Who's to say that manufacturers wont provide rules D&E Themselves? Asrock have always been fans of doing things out of the ordinary with their boards (Mixed Ram DDR&DDR2, Processor expansions, AGP and PCIe on the same board!!)

Sorry to write that down in a somewhat dumbed down way, I was trying to explain the big picture to myself in a sense

seandog · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:04

Martini1991 said:
I said crippled to fit AM3+, not AM3.

OMG this again from you martini, it's bad enough ya kept spouting this in the BD thread but to keep saying it like it's your mantra is really getting on my nerves....

When you mention this it's like your privy to some big secret but yet can't provide a single link or any proof to back this up, just stop beating the one drum for the love of jeebus

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:05

seandog said:
OMG this again from you martini, it's bad enough ya kept spouting this in the BD thread but to keep saying it like it's your mantra is really getting on my nerves....

When you mention this it's like your privy to some big secret but yet can't provide a single link or any proof to back this up, just stop beating the one drum for the love of jeebus

Bait harder :rolleyes:

Don't like, don't read, don't comment.

And READ THE DISCUSSION.

Final8y · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:07

Jokester said:
It's actually a pretty shrewd move by AMD as it keeps people tied in to their hardware if they're only looking to upgrade a CPU or MB, as it removes Intel from the equation. Otherwise a brand new socket means they have to get a new CPU and MB and they then have a choice of getting an Intel based system or an AMD based system.

And that's why AMD tries to overlap CPU and mobo as much as it can without needed for full clean slate change.

seandog · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:08

Blah blah blah, I did read the discussion and from what I gathered from the title and thread it was that amd extending am3+ and not your tagline of BD crippled for this chipset

Get another string on your harp why don't ya

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:09

seandog said:
Blah blah blah, I did read the discussion and from what I gathered from the title and thread it was that amd extending am3+ and not your tagline of BD crippled for this chipset

Get another string on your harp why don't ya

Since when was AM3/AM3+ a chipset?
And no, while the title was what you describe, the comments here weren't for the most part.

Final8y said:
And that's why AMD tries to overlap CPU and mobo as much as it can without needed for full clean slate change.

But somewhere down the line, it's going to halt progression.

wannabedamned · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:11

Martini1991 said:
But somewhere down the line, it's going to halt progression.

Which is what Jokester meant when he said BD was crippled. Its had to be designed to an already existing spec

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:13

wannabedamned said:
Which is what Jokester meant when he said BD was crippled. Its had to be designed to an already existing spec

Except when he said that, it was after I'd said it (Assuming you mean the quote in August), and I said it after many people had said it

.

I'm going on what others have said.

wannabedamned · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:16

Martini1991 said:
Except when he said that, it was after I'd said it (Assuming you mean the quote in August), and I said it after many people had said it .

I'm going on what others have said.

Yeah thats the one I meant, I only ever skimmed the highlights and posts by Dons always stand out more than the ones by us lowly peasants

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:17

wannabedamned said:
Yeah thats the one I meant, I only ever skimmed the highlights and posts by Dons always stand out more than the ones by us lowly peasants

Yep, he doesn't get quite the flaming I do when I stated it.

Final8y · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:34

Martini1991 said:
Since

But somewhere down the line, it's going to halt progression.

It already has which is double edge sword as its good for people to upgrade.

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:38

Final8y said:
It already has which is double edge sword as its good for people to upgrade.

Perhaps.
But sometimes it's kind of pointless.

The whole AM3/AM3+ is quite bizarre.
Ok, so AMD don't support BD in AM3 (Regardless that it can work). So people who have an AM3 board don't have an upgrade path, they'd need a new board, in this case AM3+.

AM3 CPU's work on AM3+ boards. But anyone who had an AM3 CPU already would have an AM3 board. To get BD support they still need a new board.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not launch AM3+ with BD (Assuming of course that BD is indeed crippled on AM3+) and to just launch FM2 with Komodo?

Final8y · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:43

Martini1991 said:
Perhaps.
But sometimes it's kind of pointless.

The whole AM3/AM3+ is quite bizarre.
Ok, so AMD don't support BD in AM3 (Regardless that it can work). So people who have an AM3 board don't have an upgrade path, they'd need a new board, in this case AM3+.

AM3 CPU's work on AM3+ boards. But anyone who had an AM3 CPU already would have an AM3 board. To get BD support they still need a new board.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to not launch AM3+ with BD (Assuming of course that BD is indeed crippled on AM3+) and to just launch FM2 with Komodo?

Because AM3 maybe even more crippled with BD in it than AM3+ and its a wait & see situation.

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:45

Final8y said:
Because AM3 maybe even more crippled with BD in it than AM3+ and its a wait & see situation.

?

I said straight launching FM2, nothing about Zambezi.

BD won't work in all AM3 boards due to not everyone having one pin wired.

Final8y · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:51

Martini1991 said:
?

I said straight launching FM2, nothing about Zambezi.

BD won't work in all AM3 boards due to not everyone having one pin wired.

As i said even though it may work on AM3 mobos it maybe more crippled and maybe more crippled than AMD would like, so AMD does not want to encourage people to use AM3.
FM2 is not here yet AM3+ is.

davieg · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:52

Martini1991 said:
?

I said straight launching FM2, nothing about Zambezi.

BD won't work in all AM3 boards due to not everyone having one pin wired.

Thats what I was trying to get at, at that point surely it would have made more sense to jump to the new socket with the new architecture, than do a few maybe crippled versions that very well may spoil the rep of the CPU, if the rumours are true about it not being able to work to its full potential in either AM3 or AM3+?
:confused:

Martini1991 · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:53

Final8y said:
As i said even though it may work on AM3 mobos it maybe more crippled and maybe more crippled than AMD would like, so AMD does not want to encourage people to use AM3.
FM2 is not here yet AM3+ is.

You're not reading are you

?

davieg said:
Thats what I was trying to get at, at that point surely it would have made more sense to jump to the new socket with the new architecture, than do a few maybe crippled versions that very well may spoil the rep of the CPU, if the rumours are true about it not being able to work to its full potential in either AM3 or AM3+?

Exactly.

Final8y · 3 Sep 2011 at 13:56

Martini1991 said:
You're not reading are you ?

Exactly.

And your not reading my point.

Your saying that BD should be released on AM3 no matter what & maybe AMD thinks otherwise.