AMD IQ Vs Nvidia IQ - shenanigans or something else?

shankly1985 · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:50

@Greg can you take a screenshot with the TX at the same spot I did or close enough?

Gregster · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:56

shankly1985 said:
@greg can you take a screenshot with the TX at the same spot I did or close enough?

Will do but no time at the mo. As soon as I finish work tonight I will be on it.

shankly1985 · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:59

Gregster said:
Will do but no time at the mo. As soon as I finish work tonight I will be on it.

Thanks

Nexus18 · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:00

I cba getting involved in this as it is likely a problem with the PC/settings or something else and the only way to be sure is to upload full size screenshots from each one in a variety of games.

However, I love how people say that youtube compression etc. is to blame:

- they are both recorded on the same software/capture card
- I presume they are both edited in the same VE software + they are both uploaded to youtube

So if it was youtube or the software used to edit the videos then the fury x should also be showing less detail....

It is just like the batman AK PC VS X0 VS PS 4 comparison video:

Did youtube or the VE software remove the rain and AO effects/detail from the PC version?

shankly1985 · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:12

Nexus18 said:
I cba getting involved in this as it is likely a problem with the PC/settings or something else and the only way to be sure is to upload full size screenshots from each one in a variety of games.

However, I love how people say that youtube compression etc. is to blame:

- they are both recorded on the same software/capture card
- I presume they are both edited in the same VE software + they are both uploaded to youtube

So if it was youtube or the software used to edit the videos then the fury x should also be showing less detail....

It is just like the batman AK PC VS X0 VS PS 4 comparison video:

Did youtube or the VE software remove the rain and AO effects/detail from the PC version?

valid point.. am finding it funny that some people are putting it down to the fact greg changed some colour settings lol

Mei · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:17

effects is a bit different to AA differences and shadows things like that
them things can get messed up with compression & color changes
stuff like draw distances it dont matter

humbug · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:32

Mei said:
effects is a bit different to AA differences and shadows things like that
them things can get messed up with compression & color changes
stuff like draw distances it dont matter

What do you mean when you say Draw Distance doesn't matter?

Ayahuasca · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:33

He means regardless of compression, draw distance differences can still be noticed easily.

Nexus18 · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:33

Someone did a screenshot yesterday highlighting the differences:

There is more to it than just AA.

BTW, is this with DX? I noticed a few differences in contrast and detail between DX and mantle on a few maps on my 290 but then on others, no difference at all.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27491594&postcount=16733

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27491318&postcount=16724

Mei · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:41

Ayahuasca said:
she means regardless of compression, draw distance differences can still be noticed easily.

yeh i meant that^^;

humbug · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:45

Ayahuasca said:
He means regardless of compression, draw distance differences can still be noticed easily.

Yes but to be fair its also subjective to the player, some people don't see the difference because they tend not to scrutinise what's in a distance while others notice things rendering into view out of nowhere as they move along.

As a side note, most probably know this but for those who don't: Distance Drawing adjustment is used to reduce the workload on hardware, its part of development optimisation, by decreasing the Draw Distance you're decreasing the amount of Instances, Veracities, Textures, Poly's and Calls your hardware needs to process at any given time.

It can have a significant effect on performance, i can easily setup a demonstration of it in Cryengine.

Ayahuasca · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:49

Draw distance is not subjective when comparing.

humbug · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:00

Ayahuasca said:
Draw distance is not subjective when comparing.

Right, what i meant was its subjective as to whether or not a player with no prior knowledge of Distance Drawing happening would notice it just playing the game.

Ayahuasca · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:03

Of course, but that's not really the point here. People want to know why there's a difference between the two.

D.P. · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:06

Nexus18 said:
Someone did a screenshot yesterday highlighting the differences:

There is more to it than just AA.

BTW, is this with DX? I noticed a few differences in contrast and detail between DX and mantle on a few maps on my 290 but then on others, no difference at all.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27491594&postcount=16733

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27491318&postcount=16724

That isn't a screen shot, that is a screen shot of YouTube.

The people that have actually posted screen shots from the game have images that look nothing like that at all. The images are near enough identical in real life.

Nexus18 · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:12

Yeah that is what I meant....

Again:

- they are both recorded on the same software/capture card
- I presume they are both edited in the same VE software + they are both uploaded to youtube

So if it was youtube or the software used to edit the videos then the fury x should also be showing less detail....

I haven't seen these images, got a link? Are they using the exact same settings as greg with the same res. monitor?

humbug · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:15

Ayahuasca said:
Of course, but that's not really the point here. People want to know why there's a difference between the two.

The only reason to reduce Draw Distance is to increase performance.

However that does not necessarily point to foul-play on Nvidia's part.

As we all know Mantle is a better more efficient API to DX11, it could very well be a case of DICE and AMD deciding to optimise more toward IQ with Mantle.

I would really like to see DX only comparisons, but even then it could simply be a case of AMD choosing IQ over performance, both AMD and Nvidia would have those options when working with DICE.

We can't say for sure Nvidia are deliberately gimping IQ to look like they have bigger performance, having said that it is the end result.

shankly1985 · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:26

humbug said:
The only reason to reduce Draw Distance is to increase performance.

However that does not necessarily point to foul-play on Nvidia's part.

As we all know Mantle is a better more efficient API to DX11, it could very well be a case of DICE and AMD deciding to optimise more toward IQ with Mantle.

I would really like to see DX only comparisons, but even then it could simply be a case of AMD choosing IQ over performance, both AMD and Nvidia would have those options when working with DICE.

We can't say for sure Nvidia are deliberately gimping IQ to look like they have bigger performance, having said that it is the end result.

I notice no difference using Mantle vs DX11 both look the same here.

Bonjour · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:32

This should become a regular feature on your YouTube channel.

You can call it "Greg's monthly can o' worms".

Next month's edition, "My silent Fury X".

Silent_Scone · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:33

I'd need to do a side by side comparison to draw anything worth posting up as findings (as in run both machines up side by side), but I think Batman AK image fidelity is better on Fury X at 4K than on TX. I wasn't sure if it was just placebo.