AMD Loses Value Crown - Best CPUs of 2021, December Edition

[Journey]

I think it's based more around price to performance though rather than out right performance, in 2 of the 5 catagories the winner was released even before zen 3 etc.

Indeed, Intel dropped their prices and AMD's low end parts went up in price or disappeared, and they concentrated on the performance market (for once). Be intresting to see what happens if the supply constraints ever actually disappear.

 

[humbug]

Indeed, Intel dropped their prices and AMD's low end parts went up in price or disappeared, and they concentrated on the performance market (for once). Be intresting to see what happens if the supply constraints ever actually disappear.

I think 8 core 16 thread will have to be the new Ryzen 5, 24 core 48 thread the new Ryzen 9.

Maybe a few minor tweaks to bring the per core performance up by 20% on top of that, i have said it before, this is not the time for AMD to stop pushing, even with the Zen 3D refresh, don't wait until Zen 4.

Intel have pushed things about as far as they can, and IMO they are hoping AMD don't push even harder, because they can, and that's exactly why they should.

 

[humbug]

With the Extra L3 and 24 core the 6950X would be in the region of around 50 to 70% faster than a 5950X and by extension a 12900K at 180 watts.

Patrick Gelsinger needs to be spraying coffee all over his screen on Jan 4....

 

[Joxeon]

With the Extra L3 and 24 core the 6950X would be in the region of around 50 to 70% faster than a 5950X and by extension a 12900K at 180 watts.

Patrick Gelsinger needs to be spitting coffee all over his screen on Jan 4....

Would probably end up being £1200 though.

 

[Curlyriff]

With the Extra L3 and 24 core the 6950X would be in the region of around 50 to 70% faster than a 5950X and by extension a 12900K at 180 watts.

Patrick Gelsinger needs to be spraying coffee all over his screen on Jan 4....

If they did that at the same point as the 5950x then I'd be a day 1 purchase tbh.

 

[humbug]

Would probably end up being £1200 though.

Be that as it may, it doesn't matter, its all about being at the top of those bar charts, that's when you get your kudos, your mindshare, AMD understand that now just as well as Intel always did.

 

[Joxeon]

Be that as it may, it doesn't matter, it all about being at the top of those bar charts, that's when you get your kudos, your mindshare, AMD understand that now just as well as Intel always did.

It matters as it drags the prices of the lower end SKUs upwards like how we've seen with Gpus over the last few years so we end up with smaller and smaller performance uplifts relative to the price.

 

[humbug]

It matters as it drags the prices of the lower end SKUs upwards like how we've seen with Gpus over the last few years so we end up with smaller and smaller performance uplifts relative to the price.

Not for Intel, those ##400 CPU's have always been good value and they will be again, AMD don't, or at least didn't have the capacity to make sub $200 CPU's this time round.

There is a more fundamental reason AMD need to step it up again, its about sending a message to Intel, that message being we can respond to anything you do and then some...

 

[NZXT30]

Am I being dumb because when I saw this video pop up on my YouTube feed I thought. "AMD cpus have been out a year, intel a month or two.. Of course AMD are now being surpassed?"

I don't follow the cpu market much unless I'm planning an upgrade but surely its not even worth such a heated debate when a new product comes out and its competitive / better than the product released earlier.

Usually when new shiny and higher performing CPUs come out the older ones become better value. AMD has managed to lose both the performance and value proposition to Intel above all companies.

 

[Twinz]

AMD didn't overtake Intel overnight. Most of the damage to Intel's market share happend while AMD was still behind in gaming but ahead in value.

If AMD focus soley on "e-peen" while ignoring value, I'm sure Intel will be happy to return the favor.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah the race isn't over yet for AMD, they were lucky in so far as intel stagnated in combination of the ryzen leaps. As mentioned, AMD need to continue the push to cement them being 'not a value brand' but with that comes great responsibility!

 

[dave28]

It is the next gen that will be interesting, intels 13th gen VS AMD release.

I expect intels 13th gen to be a pathetic upgrade of 12th gen but AMD i hope at least will have solid gains.

 

[jigger]

Yeah the race isn't over yet for AMD, they were lucky in so far as intel stagnated in combination of the ryzen leaps. As mentioned, AMD need to continue the push to cement them being 'not a value brand' but with that comes great responsibility!

I don’t think AMD have ever planned to stop innovating.

Intel can always out compete it’s competition on price as long as they have the volume in sales to keep the fabrication costs proportional. I think once Intel have established Arc in the market they will be in better shape and aggressively push the i3 and Pentium parts. Intel have to pick the fights where they can claw back the revenue lost to AMD.

Intel have a lot of work to do over the next decade, but if they can dominate the graphics market and fill the beige box orders, and find a solution to Zen I think they could become a real behemoth. Possibly to the point regulators have to break the company down to maintain competition.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Intel can always out compete it’s competition on price as long as they have the volume in sales to keep the fabrication costs proportional. I think once Intel have established Arc in the market they will be in better shape and aggressively push the i3 and Pentium parts. Intel have to pick the fights where they can claw back the revenue lost to AMD.

Intel have a lot of work to do over the next decade, but if they can dominate the graphics market and fill the beige box orders, and find a solution to Zen I think they could become a real behemoth. Possibly to the point regulators have to break the company down to maintain competition.

Very optimistic!

 

[jigger]

Very optimistic!

Intel are trying to corner the graphics market and Nvidia have badly dropped the ball on power use and performance. With the insane profits in the graphics market it’s a much easier task for Intel to break the GPU market than to find a profitable solution for Zen.

 

[Joxeon]

It is the next gen that will be interesting, intels 13th gen VS AMD release.

I expect intels 13th gen to be a pathetic upgrade of 12th gen but AMD i hope at least will have solid gains.

12th gen is already substantially ahead in the 6 and 8 core mainstream segment so maybe 13th gen won't need to see major gains to retain a lead in these areas atleast in MT.

Also come the Zen 4 vs RPL battle Intel will have the platform price advantage with cheaper old 600 Z + B series boards and DDR4 vs what will be only X670 and DDR5.

 

[Twinz]

Yeah the race isn't over yet for AMD, they were lucky in so far as intel stagnated in combination of the ryzen leaps. As mentioned, AMD need to continue the push to cement them being 'not a value brand' but with that comes great responsibility!

Intel lost market share during the time that it had the e-peen title.

It was *not the value brand*. It had the fastest gaming CPU's. ....and it lost market share.

Intel's stagnation wasn't the primary cause of their market share loss, it was their overestimation of e-peen status.

I think the stagnation just led to them losing the performance crown after the damage was already done.

 

[Journey]

I miss the punch and counter punch times that were the Athlon XP and Athlon 64, vs the Intel P4 era, it seemed like a month didn't go by without a new release and there was no one sitting on their hands, it was all go. Perhaps that is the phase we are entering again, with no one company staying dominant for very long, or the best value either.

 

[Twinz]

I miss the punch and counter punch times that were the Athlon XP and Athlon 64, vs the Intel P4 era, it seemed like a month didn't go by without a new release and there was no one sitting on their hands, it was all go. Perhaps that is the phase we are entering again, with no one company staying dominant for very long, or the best value either.

I hope the two companies pummel each other repeatedly about the head and shoulders.

I guess we will find out in the next few weeks if AMD wants to compete in the market or just try to retake the "fastest CPU" title and let Intel gnaw away at the bulk of the market. (This assumes that vcache gets AMD back on top in gaming in the first place)

 

[jigger]

AMD will very probably beat Intel’s 13th gen with a Zen 3D revision. Intel’s 8 big cores can’t leverage the extra DDR5 well enough, and the Atom cores aren’t competitive against Zen in any way. Obviously as core counts increase AMD is in another league to Intel.

Intel need to improve massively over the next 5 years to have any chance of truly competing part for part with AMD. Some people are saying that Intel may never fully catch AMD and the company’s future now rests on denying revenue from the graphics markets to slow AMD.

Over Intels current roadmap I think AMD will pummel Intel pretty hard. 2027 onwards I think Intel will offer more competition and be a major player in the graphics market.