AMD Mantle Vs. Direct X Battlefield 4 Multiplayer Benchmarks

[Final8y]

Then what is this?




Proof was given to you, but you chose to ignore it.
Let's take it one step at a time:

1. You have tests in which AMD is better on frame times (the big nvidia is better argument a while back) under DX and it only gets better under Mantle;
2. You have tests in which Mantle, frame rate wise, can go from 0% improvement to double digits numbers, even on high end setups. The empirical data is all there and it clearly shows under which situations Mantle kicks in and under which is not better. 'cause yeah, no one says it's better all the time. Even AMD said this API isn't required for all type of games. A lot are fine with how DX works.

On a ending note, showing a graph that puts 0 distance between the APIs and judging only by that is wrong, just as it's wrong to judge those API by another graph that shows Mantle way ahead. The subject has been discussed so much already, all the info is there. Don't get stuck on the details (and I'm referring here in general, not to one user) , look at the whole picture: (for the users) better performance in CPU bound situations and better frame times, (for developers) easier to work and estimate results compared to DX - at least from what we've heard from the devs that are working with it.

+1

 

[shankly1985]

How can it be user error if I'm simply using AMD's installer?
There's no variation of user input (Unless I'm going in custom, and even then, I can't do much/anything to break DirectX on my end)

The same reason AMD released there own driver remover "But was taking down while they fix Win8 issues" Or Better always use DDU it will auto boot into safe mode and remove all drivers for you leaving your system driver free.

AMD own tool - why would they release one if Control panel was enough?
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=373750

Better use DDU
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=379505

 

[Silent_Scone]

F*ck that driver remover. Even that broke my Windows 8.

AMD aren't exactly known for their solid software lol. But then, one can't say anything these days about their drivers without sounding like a blanket statement.

I guess that'll happen when something remains the same way year on year .


Back in the land of non-wind up though frame pacing looks to be massively better

 

[Final8y]

Im going to try that DDU on my next driver update.

 

[humbug]

My comment is in jest which seems to be the get out clause flavor of the month at the moment

lol, i hear you there.

 

[TheRealDeal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB_32uVo1Q

Another user that can feel the benefits.

"Lastly, the most amazing thing is the perceived smoothness that this API delivers as it evenly renders frames at stable intervals."

Nvidia performance, smoothness is no better in bf4 under dx than amd's. So i would expect Nvidia users to notice the same benefits if mantle was usable on Nv cards.

If i remember correctly it was Nvidia users complaining more on bf4 release about choppy game play. Amd's dx performance seemed to be pretty good from the off where smoothness was concerned.

 

[shankly1985]

F*ck that driver remover. Even that broke my Windows 8.

AMD aren't exactly known for their solid software lol. But then, one can't say anything these days about their drivers without sounding like a blanket statement.

I guess that'll happen when something remains the same way year on year .


Back in the land of non-wind up though frame pacing looks to be massively better

Like I said they removed it because it was for Windows 7 only and people who upgraded to Windows 8 started using it.
DDU or Driver Sweeper is always the better choice.

 

[humbug]

AMD Uninstall app is for windows 7, don't use it for Win 8, it will break it.

 

[Martini1991]

Driver sweeper is defunct now driver fusion isn't it?
That's what I used.

 

[Gregster]

The lower frame Times for Mantle we can at this point not even aware - the higher FPS we have already seen several times. It is in this presentation about how evenly extend the graph. The lower peaks are seen in the positive and negative direction, the more uniformly extend the FPS. Not only in the Crossfire this is important. The issues raised by some users frame dips would leave noticeable marks in this Site. Do not do it in our case, however. However, this can not rule out that can come to such a problem. The beta status of the driver is a clear sign to the effect that there may be such and similar errors.

HardwareLuxx talking about frametimes but what do they know!

 

[Silent_Scone]

Driver sweeper is defunct now driver fusion isn't it?
That's what I used.

I always use Driver Fusion now, yes

Are people still getting massive frame dips?

 

[humbug]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB_32uVo1Q

Another user that can feel the benefits.

"Lastly, the most amazing thing is the perceived smoothness that this API delivers as it evenly renders frames at stable intervals."

Nvidia performance, smoothness is no better in bf4 under dx than amd's. So i would expect Nvidia users to notice the same benefits if mantle was usable on Nv cards.

If i remember correctly it was Nvidia users complaining more on bf4 release about choppy game play. Amd's dx performance seemed to be pretty good from the off where smoothness was concerned.

Watched it, its exactly what i'm seeing, i'm really impressed with it.

 

[Rusty0611]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB_32uVo1Q

Another user that can feel the benefits.

"Lastly, the most amazing thing is the perceived smoothness that this API delivers as it evenly renders frames at stable intervals."

Nvidia performance, smoothness is no better in bf4 under dx than amd's. So i would expect Nvidia users to notice the same benefits if mantle was usable on Nv cards.

If i remember correctly it was Nvidia users complaining more on bf4 release about choppy game play. Amd's dx performance seemed to be pretty good from the off where smoothness was concerned.

Yeah that was release. Things improved massively at some point with a patch / driver combo. Smoothness wise it's perfect now. I'd like to see some comparisons along the points I have raised out of interest as opposed to forum point scoring like others .

Edit: that's still an AMD DX vs AMD Mantle comparison so we have plenty of those already.

 

[bendy711]

rolled back to dx for a week or so, tried mantle again at the weekend, it worked on saturday but then decided to not work again sunday, game never makes it past load screen, 290 x and 8350 wounder as it works so well.

 

[Calin Banc]

2) All the testing I've seen shows 5-10% gain on a proper overclocked CPU set up.

No, not in all. http://www.golem.de/news/amds-mantle-api-im-test-der-prozessor-katalysator-1402-104261-3.html




If you want a $1k CPU overclocked in order to eliminate the bottleneck, then Mantle is doing quite a nice job. You can pay that and then some more to get the same performance as a "regular" i5/i7 user with a way less expensive system.

 

[humbug]

Mantle recording from that youtube...

How to use Mirillis Action with mantle:

Hirota Gamer21 minutes ago

How you record using Mirilis Action with the Mantle activate? My action dont recognize the battlefield 4
Reply ·

RequiemFiasco1 second ago

You have to run mirillis action in "Active Screen" recording mode and then you have to run BF4 in fullscreen windowed/borderless under the video options. The icon should then be visible and recording is possible.

 

[Rusty0611]

Not more graph spam . I don't even know some of these sites from which some graphs get pulled from these days.

Either way the CPU is not overclocked on either of those tests from what I can tell and I can't tell because it's German what exactly they have tested. i.e. is it representative gameplay (guy playing game) or is it something to showcase the benefits of what Mantle can do in a certain situation?

Surely people are more interested in what Mantle can offer in your day to day gaming scenario? That's what I am interested in anyway.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah that was release. Things improved massively at some point with a patch / driver combo. Smoothness wise it's perfect now. I'd like to see some comparisons along the points I have raised out of interest as opposed to forum point scoring like others .

Edit: that's still an AMD DX vs AMD Mantle comparison so we have plenty of those already.

We do but there is no problem with dx on amd and there was no complaining about smoothness before mantle got released. The people that had mantle working from release noticed the smoothness straight away. Those that can't get mantle to work are very happy for the most part about dx and bf4 performance.

I bet most amd dx users thought there game could not run any smoother than it was before they tried mantle.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Not more graph spam . I don't even know some of these sites from which some graphs get pulled from these days.

Either way the CPU is not overclocked on either of those tests from what I can tell and I can't tell because it's German what exactly they have tested. i.e. is it representative gameplay (guy playing game) or is it something to showcase the benefits of what Mantle can do in a certain situation?

Surely people are more interested in what Mantle can offer in your day to day gaming scenario? That's what I am interested in anyway.

That's the other thing people tend to forget. There might not really be a need to overclock your cpu any more with mantle which has it's own benefits.

 

[Gregster]

We do but there is no problem with dx on amd and there was no complaining about smoothness before mantle got released. The people that had mantle working from release noticed the smoothness straight away. Those that can't get mantle to work are very happy for the most part about dx and bf4 performance.

I bet most amd dx users thought there came could not run any smoother than it was before they tried mantle.

I have to say, if people are noticing the smoothness right away, something was fundamentally wrong with DX for AMD users.