AMD Mantle Vs. Direct X Battlefield 4 Multiplayer Benchmarks

[shankly1985]

Off topic and I'm sure I can find the answer in one of the Lt's gazillion threads on Mantle:

Thief - day 1 and or patched in?

I believe it's day one.

 

[Calin Banc]

Thanks.



I didn't say that did I? Are you eyes failing old boy? I said I'd never heard of the sites in question and you were the one posting more graphs to counter the graphs in the OP showing an 8% gain only. You've accused me of doing something which I haven't done and then gone and done the thing you've falsely accused me of yourself. Brilliant .

No overclocking isn't necessarily the solution to not having optimisations but again, I didn't say that did I? I was just taking the fact we're posting on Overclockers UK that most of us have our CPU overclocked.

First, you kept mentioning overclocking and ultra high end processors in order for the dx to keep up with Mantle. In my book, that's a first battle lost by DX. Users from this forum are not the only ones and even so, my i5 would bottleneck a faster card or a dual gpu solution.

Secundo, let me quote myself again:

You have tests in which Mantle, frame rate wise, can go from 0% improvement to double digits numbers, even on high end setups. The empirical data is all there and it clearly shows under which situations Mantle kicks in and under which is not better. 'cause yeah, no one says it's better all the time. Even AMD said this API isn't required for all type of games. A lot are fine with how DX works.

showing a graph that puts 0 distance between the APIs and judging only by that is wrong, just as it's wrong to judge those API by another graph that shows Mantle way ahead. The subject has been discussed so much already, all the info is there. Don't get stuck on the details (and I'm referring here in general, not to one user) , look at the whole picture: (for the users) better performance in CPU bound situations and better frame times, (for developers) easier to work and estimate results compared to DX - at least from what we've heard from the devs that are working with it.

As you can see, I've NEVER said Mantle gives ALWAY x% performance boost, HOWEVER it can on certain situations and or setups. The internetz is wright, although the results seem to be contradictory, you need to look at the whole picture, with all the variables and you understand why you have low fps gain or why you have high fps gain.

Those graphs were there to show you that higher performance gains are possible, even on high end hardware (latest i7, even at stock, is nothing less than that). I've only posted that because you said such thing is impossible, talking about roughly what, 10-15% (still quite big)?

 

[LtMatt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB_32uVo1Q

Another user that can feel the benefits.

"Lastly, the most amazing thing is the perceived smoothness that this API delivers as it evenly renders frames at stable intervals."

Nvidia performance, smoothness is no better in bf4 under dx than amd's. So i would expect Nvidia users to notice the same benefits if mantle was usable on Nv cards.

If i remember correctly it was Nvidia users complaining more on bf4 release about choppy game play. Amd's dx performance seemed to be pretty good from the off where smoothness was concerned.

Awesome find on that video. I might have to try out whatever hes using to record. Recording at 1440P on a single 290 is no mean feat.

 

[4737Joker]

You can feel differences in games when you change settings, it can be difficult to explain as you don't know exactly what it is about it that makes it feel different sometimes in my experience.

You have such strong opinions abot mantle gregster and for whatever reason allways seem to be in the middle of debates about it. Have you tried mantle yet?

 

[shankly1985]

Awesome find on that video. I might have to try out whatever hes using to record. Recording at 1440P on a single 290 is no mean feat.

I put money he using some sort of capture device.

 

[humbug]

No I didn't but see you have changed it.

So now we have the definitive comparison that Mantle is a Rolls Royce and DX is a Kia Ceed. That is the worst comparison I have seen.

A Rolls Royce that only works on certain roads and might break down and you can put a Seat 500 engine in it to power this beast of a car along.

The Kia Ceed runs on all roads but not very smoothly.

"No I didn't" you did, i edited a typo within seconds, what you quoted was my typo correction, the correct spelling, you went back and changed it after i quoted you.
You shouldn't be such a keen Spelling Nazi, some people might start to think your using it to try rubbing people up the wrong way.

Anyway, the difference between Mantle and DX is a lot like the difference between a Rolls Royce and a Kia Cee'd.
Its not something that can be explained, you can only experience it, and you haven't.
All those on the internet and here who say they can tell the difference (be it DX on Nvidia or AMD vs Mantle) have.

Its getting to be a consensus for all but those with Nvidia GPU's who have no experience of Mantle.
What does that tell you?

 

[~Mike~]

Awesome find on that video. I might have to try out whatever hes using to record. Recording at 1440P on a single 290 is no mean feat.

I put money he using some sort of capture device.

If you bothered to read the description you would have found out.

Spoiler

Recorded and Uploaded at 2560x1440 using Mirillis Action

How to use Mirillis Action with mantle:

Hirota Gamer21 minutes ago

How you record using Mirilis Action with the Mantle activate? My action dont recognize the battlefield 4
Reply ·

RequiemFiasco1 second ago

You have to run mirillis action in "Active Screen" recording mode and then you have to run BF4 in fullscreen windowed/borderless under the video options. The icon should then be visible and recording is possible.

 

[humbug]

Awesome find on that video. I might have to try out whatever hes using to record. Recording at 1440P on a single 290 is no mean feat.

And anyother AMD user.

This

 

[Rusty0611]

First, you kept mentioning overclocking and ultra high end processors in order for the dx to keep up with Mantle. In my book, that's a first battle lost by DX. Users from this forum are not the only ones and even so, my i5 would bottleneck a faster card or a dual gpu solution.

It may be a battle lost but it's still irrelevant to this thread and this forum. You're on Overclockers. We Overclock. It may be a flaw of DX that overclocking is required for the CPU to keep up but when discussing tangible gains that people are actually going to get then it's important to compare in a scenario which most people will face (i.e. with their CPU overclocked).

You have an i5 so therefore you will see gains from Mantle higher than I would as you have a worse processor that will bottleneck in BF3/4.

As you can see, I've NEVER said Mantle gives ALWAY x% performance boost, HOWEVER it can on certain situations and or setups. The internetz is wright, although the results seem to be contradictory, you need to look at the whole picture, with all the variables and you understand why you have low fps gain or why you have high fps gain.

Never said you did said that. This is pointless when you're arguing something to which I've never said.

Those graphs were there to show you that higher performance gains are possible, even on high end hardware (latest i7, even at stock, is nothing less than that). I've only posted that because you said such thing is impossible, talking about roughly what, 10-15% (still quite big)?

Never said that either LOL.

This thread is about the gains in a GPU limited scenario. i.e. with no CPU bottleneck. They used a 6c/12t processor to achieve this and I can achieve this with my overclocked i7 4c/8t processor too. Hence the talk of having the CPU overclocked. Your graph spam while relevant in general is irrelevant to the point being made in this thread.

 

[LtMatt]

If you bothered to read the description you would have found out.

Spoiler

Recorded and Uploaded at 2560x1440 using Mirillis Action

How to use Mirillis Action with mantle:

Hirota Gamer21 minutes ago

How you record using Mirilis Action with the Mantle activate? My action dont recognize the battlefield 4
Reply ·

RequiemFiasco1 second ago

You have to run mirillis action in "Active Screen" recording mode and then you have to run BF4 in fullscreen windowed/borderless under the video options. The icon should then be visible and recording is possible.

I know rofls thats why i said whatever hes using because i didn't recognise the name of it. Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning?

And anyother AMD user.

This

Send me the details Bumhug plox.

 

[humbug]

I know rofls thats why i said whatever hes using because i didn't recognise the name of it. Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning?



Send me the details Bumhug plox.

http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Haven't tried it yet, the tabs to use to get to the AMD encoding app are highlighted in my screen shot.

Apparently you need to run BF4 in boarder-less full screen for Mantle recording to work.

 

[Rusty0611]

Recording newbie Matthew .

 

[zenf]

What felt the difference then? All I keep seeing is "I can feel the difference", so to me, there was something before hand that makes you now realise that it is in fact smoother than it was before.

"I can now feel the difference with Mantle" = something has changed to make the game smoother.

Please feel free to enlighten me on what was previously smooth suddenly becomes smooth.

So you're happy that your current gaming experience is smooth as it can be, so you can see no benefit of G-Sync either presumably? No way it can be any smoother, right?

 

[Gregster]

"No I didn't" you did, i edited a typo within seconds, what you quoted was my typo correction, the correct spelling, you went back and changed it after i quoted you.
You shouldn't be such a keen Spelling Nazi, some people might start to think your using it to try rubbing people up the wrong way.

Anyway, the difference between Mantle and DX is a lot like the difference between a Rolls Royce and a Kia Cee'd.
Its not something that can be explained, you can only experience it, and you haven't.
All those on the internet and here who say they can tell the difference (be it DX on Nvidia or AMD vs Mantle) have.

Its getting to be a consensus for all but those with Nvidia GPU's who have no experience of Mantle.
What does that tell you?

So you did misspell it. Anyway, I don't care on that and have asked why would already smooth suddenly feel smooth. In science terms, this wouldn't be possible without feeling a few bumps in the previous smooth of DX.

This is a genuine question. I remember having a certain nVidia driver on BF3 that wasn't smooth at all for me, as there was a very slight stutter. A couple of drivers later, the game was smoother again but not everyone picked up on it/got it, as when I asked, some noticed and some didn't.

 

[Gregster]

So you're happy that your current gaming experience is smooth as it can be, so you can see no benefit of G-Sync either presumably? No way it can be any smoother, right?

Where on earth have I said I am happy with the smoothness of DX for me?

 

[LtMatt]

Recording nubile Matthew

http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Haven't tried it yet, the tabs to use to get to the AMD encoding app are highlighted in my screen shot.

Apparently you need to run BF4 in boarder-less full screen for Mantle recording to work.

Looks like you have to pay for it. I'll have a look around.

So you're happy that your current gaming experience is smooth as it can be, so you can see no benefit of G-Sync either presumably? No way it can be any smoother, right?

 

[Rusty0611]

That has to be one of your better quote edits, Matt. I lost a piece of my water down my chin LOL.

 

[Calin Banc]

Never said that either LOL.

You are wright, you only said this

2) All the testing I've seen shows 5-10% gain on a proper overclocked CPU set up.

Which qualifies as very vague and a little bit misleading as well. My bad.

Anyway, there is enough info on the subject, where mantle is good and where it isn't. All this talk is like running around circles.

 

[zenf]

Where on earth have I said I am happy with the smoothness of DX for me?

You seem to imply that.

I have to say, if people are noticing the smoothness right away, something was fundamentally wrong with DX for AMD users.

You're an Nvidia user aren't you? So you're saying the only way that AMD with DX could be improved if there was something fundamentally wrong, implying that Nvidia's smoothness doesn't have something fundamentally wrong and couldn't be improved.

So, unless you're now saying that DX is flawed on both Nvidia and AMD, I have to ask whether you think G-Sync could offer no improvement without there being something fundamentally wrong with DX for Nvidia?

 

[Rusty0611]

You are wright, you only said this

Which qualifies as very vague and a little bit misleading as well. My bad.

Anyway, there is enough info on the subject, where mantle is good and where it isn't. All this talk is like running around circles.

It's not vague and misleading at all. I'll let you off if English isn't your first language though (assuming you're German from your .de links )

So, unless you're now saying that DX is flawed on both Nvidia and AMD, I have to ask whether you think G-Sync could offer no improvement without there being something fundamentally wrong with DX for Nvidia?

Personally I don't think Gsync is going to offer much for people running close to 120 FPS on 120 Hz monitors...

Greg may feel differently though.