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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Sargatanas2511 said:
Obviously the internet loved claiming Vega was a failure but I am pretty sure AMD actually did pretty well financially with it.
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We'll never know one way or the other, there was speculation that AMD lost money on every Vega they sold, and that was long before the same speculation cropped up about radeon vii. Fury x was meant to be a total bust in terms of sales which probably goes hand in hand with seemingly not that many of them being produced due to an (alleged) very high number of failures assembling the HBM package. And the pump whine didn't help things either.

Fury x seemed more like a product produced in low numbers just to show off what size a card could be made with hbm and not much more. A pity as it was an interesting card with some of the materials used on it like the soft touch shroud plates.
 
Gerard said:
if amd want to retake the performance crown they have to produce something that violates the 2080ti so bad it'll think it just dropped the soap in prison, and they also need to it be competitive with ampere so it's not a short term win, so they need something about 40% or so faster than the 2080ti. Not an easy ask.
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and price competitive to boot, it cant be a £1k part no matter how much AMD and their shareholders want it to be.

Tough ask, but there it is non the less.
 
Gerard said:
We'll never know one way or the other, there was speculation that AMD lost money on every Vega they sold, and that was long before the same speculation cropped up about radeon vii. Fury x was meant to be a total bust in terms of sales which probably goes hand in hand with seemingly not that many of them being produced due to an (alleged) very high number of failures assembling the HBM package. And the pump whine didn't help things either.

Fury x seemed more like a product produced in low numbers just to show off what size a card could be made with hbm and not much more. A pity as it was an interesting card with some of the materials used on it like the soft touch shroud plates.
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I am not really talking about on the desktop. As a HPC card and in data centres the Vega architecture seemed to be well received and used. On the desktop I agree it probably didn't do overly well but I did mean Vega as a whole.
 
TNA said:
Lets hope the same does not happen to AMD's hype train this time around.

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This train is twice the size and twice as fast.:p
 
Sweet spot would be 2080 super performance at 2070 super price, good 1440p 144hz monitors are sub £500 now so a £500 gpu that can power it makes a nice round package

2080ti killer seems pointless just for showing off at £1000+
 
gettothechopper said:
Sweet spot would be 2080 super performance at 2070 super price, good 1440p 144hz monitors are sub £500 now so a £500 gpu that can power it makes a nice round package

2080ti killer seems pointless just for showing off at £1000+
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I think that's what the Nvidia killer is. A decent priced 1440p card. Becoming the upgrade resolution for a lot of people, lots of cheaper high refresh monitors at 1440p. Just need a really fast card at reasonable money to allow all the bells and whistles at higher frame rates.
 
Gerard said:
Depends what you consider a "dud", given past history nvidia are probably cooking up something to launch a few days previous to the new amd cards, as has been the case for a lot of the amd launches, fury x had 980ti launching ahead of it, vega had 1080ti a few months ahead of it, and 5700xt had the "super" cards a few days before their launch.

if amd want to retake the performance crown they have to produce something that violates the 2080ti so bad it'll think it just dropped the soap in prison, and they also need to it be competitive with ampere so it's not a short term win, so they need something about 40% or so faster than the 2080ti. Not an easy ask.
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Not an easy task at all. I doubt 'Big Navi' will be able to achieve the goal of smashing the 2080ti into oblivion as that's a to ask from a rumoured 500mm chip. Although similar performance for a lot lower price should be the minimum here I just can't see how 500mm of silicon can dominant 800mm of silicon even with a process node advantage.

Of course if the top end GPU is actually a lot bigger the 500mm that could be a different story.
 
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