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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Phixsator said:
What's interesting is if this is a valid picture why is it not of the 3080ti? hmmm.. gotta love some conspiracy from time to time.
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I've personally thought for some time the 3080ti would not be available at the initial launch. the 2080ti only released so early because the 2080 wasn't much faster than the 1080ti. It's the first Nvidia had to drop a ti so soon, they usually wait up to 6 months if the non ti model can beat the previous ti model by a significant amount.

If we don't see a ti at all, it likely means the 3080 beats the 2080ti by at least 20%
 
With all the new hardware stuff on the next gen consoles and all RDNA2, is that how AMD kills NVIDIA? They don't have to be faster as such, just start adding extra chips on the cards for things like the consoles have, make things far easier for developers to develop for the consoles and much easier to get stuff across to the PC as the cards now have things like chips for decompression etc????
 
Freddie1980 said:
Not an easy task at all. I doubt 'Big Navi' will be able to achieve the goal of smashing the 2080ti into oblivion as that's a to ask from a rumoured 500mm chip. Although similar performance for a lot lower price should be the minimum here I just can't see how 500mm of silicon can dominant 800mm of silicon even with a process node advantage.

Of course if the top end GPU is actually a lot bigger the 500mm that could be a different story.
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Die size and process node means nothing in isolation. AMD are kicking Intel's ass with smaller dies because the architecture is better. Same will apply to graphics cards. If RDNA 2 proves to be

Besides, do some napkin maths. 2080 Ti is about 40% stronger than 5700 XT. 5700 XT has 40 RDNA 1 CUs. Big Navi is rumoured to have 80 RDNA 2 CUs. That's twice as many improved cores. Even if you get a woeful 50% performance uplift from doubling better CUs, that still beats the 2080 Ti by a good chunk and rivals the RTX Titan, and doesn't need a bigger die than Nvidia to do it.

I really don't see how beating the 2080 Ti is such a far-fetched idea.
 
LePhuronn said:
I really don't see how beating the 2080 Ti is such a far-fetched idea.
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It isn’t, never was.

What is somewhat far fetched is it beating the 3080Ti/Titan and hence claiming the Nvidia Killer title. The architecture would have to be a huge leap over RDNA1. We shall see.
 
TNA said:
What is somewhat far fetched is it beating the 3080Ti/Titan and hence claiming the Nvidia Killer title. The architecture would have to be a huge leap over RDNA1. We shall see.
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Ahh but that is just the norm for today's click-bait sites. I would be happy with that performance as long as its around half the price of a 2080Ti.
 
TNA said:
It isn’t, never was.

What is somewhat far fetched is it beating the 3080Ti/Titan and hence claiming the Nvidia Killer title. The architecture would have to be a huge leap over RDNA1. We shall see.
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And nobody ever said "Nvidia Killer" was outright performance to seize the crown. 1 halo product that costs more than 99% of PC gamers can afford does not kill Nvidia. An entire range of cards of significantly better price-performance ratio would kill Nvidia.

Except of course, it wouldn't actually kill them, but that's where the hyperbole should be aimed.
 
Isn't all the Navi's coming out before the new consoles suppose to be Navi 21 and not 23? or have I missed something?

What I would call an Nvidia killer would be to offer obviously good performance, price/performance and also leverage some of the design ideas that are going into the PS5 in regards to the SSD and how that works. They have already done similar before offering SSD's on a GPU for professional work. If you could load straight from high-speed nand without the CPU as a bottleneck in between, then I don't see why we couldn't get a similar experience than what is touted to be PS5 exclusive right now and that would give Nvidia a big problem as then AMD would be the only brand to allow such experiences, unless of course, NVCache can do the same? just a random thought.
 
For me if they nail a card that can do 144 FPS on a 1440p super wide screen, doesn't sound like a jumbo jet, for £499 or less then I will buy it, all the other gubbins is just that to me
 
Phixsator said:
Isn't all the Navi's coming out before the new consoles suppose to be Navi 21 and not 23? or have I missed something?

What I would call an Nvidia killer would be to offer obviously good performance, price/performance and also leverage some of the design ideas that are going into the PS5 in regards to the SSD and how that works. They have already done similar before offering SSD's on a GPU for professional work. If you could load straight from high-speed nand without the CPU as a bottleneck in between, then I don't see why we couldn't get a similar experience than what is touted to be PS5 exclusive right now and that would give Nvidia a big problem as then AMD would be the only brand to allow such experiences, unless of course, NVCache can do the same? just a random thought.
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AMD confirmed that it would be the HALO product, so that would indicate the top tier product.
 
LePhuronn said:
And nobody ever said "Nvidia Killer" was outright performance to seize the crown. 1 halo product that costs more than 99% of PC gamers can afford does not kill Nvidia. An entire range of cards of significantly better price-performance ratio would kill Nvidia.
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The reported internal 'killer' comment originally reported was not about the Halo product but about the smaller development die. Navi 23 s the smallest chip of the bunch. 21 is the Halo product. If true, it backs up your point about it being a killer in regards to price/performance but leaves halo product performance open to interpretation.
 
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