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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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humbug said:
Obviously a mock-up, but what do we think of AIO GPU's?

They are at least quiet, and cooler.
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As long as they don't go cheap with it like they did on a lot of the fury x aio's. 295x2 aio was fine as was Vega, so hopefully fury x is a one off.
 
humbug said:
oof..... i think at over 500mm2 Big Navi is the largest die AMD have ever made already, i could be wrong?

Nvidia are normally the ones going as big as necessary to win, there is a point in die size that i think AMD are just not willing to go to as yields fall off a cliff and people just aren't willing to pay Nvidia money for AMD GPU's.

Unless i'm wrong about that, at this point i would like to see AMD try, i would like to see them stop ####'### about and just throw caution to the wind and make the biggest fastest GPU they can and try the best they can to take the "performance crown" kudos.
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I think Fury was bigger, nearly 600mm2.

EDIT: I see the @TheRealDeal has already posted this info, sorry, just catching up on the thread today.

Can you imagine the power consumption of the various AMD cards if they made a large die version? Their architectures haven't been very power efficient lately. Yes, they were unlucky with Fury as it was clearly designed for 20nm and when that got cancelled they had to release it on 28nm. Which was a real shame. If the performance is there and there aren't any major drawbacks, then people will pay for it. For example: People might have purchased a lot more Radeon 7 cards if they were available and it hadn't been just a big marketing stunt. Vega really benefitted from the Die Shrink and was practically the same performance as the 2080.

As for your last statement, this has been my angle all along. People here think I am Anti AMD and want to see them fail just because I can't see them competing at the high end if they use a die that's much smaller and cheaper than what Nvidia will use in their high end GPUs. I was very careful about the wording of that particular sentence :p Because, nothing could be further from the truth, I want AMD to come out with all guns blazing aiming for the top. But, I think they will need to do what you just said, release a massive card and just go for it. I would rather see them aim for the top spot and fail then release a card that's decent and decently priced but with lots of untapped potential(like the 7970 for example)

Earlier in the thread people were saying they would be quite happy if AMD's top GPU was 2080Ti +10% levels of performance for £700. For me, that would be a fail that won't change anything. Would you be happy with that?

Vega 64 was my last AMD GPU and I would like to have AMD as an option again.
 
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I couldn't go back to AMD now, as theres just too much crap in the CP for me, its just bloatware.

I liked this one, Crimson ?

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Rroff said:
As I feared - lots of optimisations and only used on select features :( which is nice and all but doesn't transform the scene like you get with a full implementation.
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I did express concerns about performance of Ray Tracing when that developer said you could either have Ray Tracing or high FPS.

Sony did say they had some secret sauce for Ray Tracing, it might have been only market speak, but I wonder what all this means for AMD's Ray Tracing performance on the PC?
 
Satchfanuk said:
Is it just me or do both AMD and nVidia seem to be putting out a lot of misinformation to the tech channels?

I think AMD especially have been keeping things quiet and understated.

Could they have finally learned after being burned numerous times in the past for hyping their GPUs only to have them ridiculed after release.

Plus, does this signal confidence within the red team about their upcoming next gen?
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I think there is very little info from either company been leaked. And Tech channels are just making most of it up based on tiny glimpses.

And I don't think it means anything for the performance of RDNA2 based on AMD keeping very quiet. I think it's just exactly like you said, they have learned their lessons from the past marketing mistakes.
 
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