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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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EastCoastHandle said:
I don't consider them consumers as they show a lack of self preservation. Therefore, I don't see 1/3 of them going to AMD. One reason, for the 1st time since windows xp, they are said to actually update their GUI for the drivers. For such individuals pretty, pretty, shiney, shiney is too irresistible to pass up. Something I mentioned earlier.
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Wow, patronising much?
Some people have the money and want the best. If AMD put out the best product then many of them will move. AMD have not done so.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Wow, patronising much?
Some people have the money and want the best. If AMD put out the best product then many of them will move. AMD have not done so.
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No, it is not affordability that I'm discussing it is disposability. Which is the fundamental difference between what I posted and what it is that you reply of. I and others purchase in a fashion that shows affordability not disposability. IE: purchases reflect purchasing power.

Paying over a grand for a video card that will depreciate to a mid-range teir is nothing to take lightly. Glossed over as "I can afford it". It waters the beginning of anti consumer behavior in a duopoly market.

Therefore I cannot view them as consumers. Which shows me a lack of self-preservation.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
But it does beat them at pretty much everything else. And even that gaming crown is looking iffy dollar for dollar, especially as games move to becoming more threaded.
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If you look at Zen/Zen+ people still found it good enough to buy,as it wasn't a slum dunk even outside gaming,if you looked at the top end.Zen2 is really when AMD started to push forward.Even to a degree ATI could get away with more subpar stuff than AMD when it comes to GPUs. I have a feeling perception is part of the problem,especially when AMD had rubbish CPUs,it dragged down its GPUs too. Interestingly enough AMD GPU sales have been doing better recently,even if Navi is technologically behind Turing. It tells me some of the good vibes from Zen2,have started to rub off on RTG.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
. Before then,the FX series was a disaster,and the Phenom II series barely were competitive in certain aspects with Intel. Phenom was a disaster.
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I came from an FX8300 and went to a Ryzen 3600. ;)

I remember I was out of work briefly between jobs and times were tight lol. Its now my cctv rig and file server.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have a feeling perception is part of the problem,especially when AMD had rubbish CPUs
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Despite MLID invoking the ire and petulance of some commenters here, he did an interesting analysis piece a while back discussing AMD's GPU mindshare and how it ties to the popularity of their CPUs. In a nutshell, the figures he charted showed that when AMD were offering favourable CPUs, the GPU sales went up, regardless of their competitveness against Nvidia.

It is possible that we could see such a swing again now that Zen is knocking it out of the park for all but those hardened Intel fanbois; Navi 2X may not need to be the bestest best to get sales because AMD has a positive image now through Ryzen. And if that proves to be the case, AMD better not naff the entire thing up with rubbish launch drivers :P
 
Th0nt said:
I came from an FX8300 and went to a Ryzen 3600. ;)

I remember I was out of word briefly between jobs and times were tight lol. Its now my cctv rig and file server.
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I was more constrained by motherboard choice as I prefer SFF PCs. I really wanted to build a Llano based one,but there were no mini-ITX ones available in retail for quite a while.

LePhuronn said:
Despite MLID invoking the ire and petulance of some commenters here, he did an interesting analysis piece a while back discussing AMD's GPU mindshare and how it ties to the popularity of their CPUs. In a nutshell, the figures he charted showed that when AMD were offering favourable CPUs, the GPU sales went up, regardless of their competitveness against Nvidia.

It is possible that we could see such a swing again now that Zen is knocking it out of the park for all but those hardened Intel fanbois; Navi 2X may not need to be the bestest best to get sales because AMD has a positive image now through Ryzen. And if that proves to be the case, AMD better not naff the entire thing up with rubbish launch drivers :p
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ATI even at their worst after 2002/2003 never really sunk under 35% sales share(including failures such as the 2900XT),but AMD even with better relative product stack when down under 20% at one point.
 
LePhuronn said:
Which coincides with Bulldozer and its derivitives, I believe. This is my point.
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That was also what I was hinting at too,so we are in agreement.
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Although it was called Faildozer, for what I needed the machine for, it was an upgrade from my C2D intel. In some tasks it was actually strong which used all 8 threads, I remember BF4 and mantle once Dice fixed the buggy crashes it was flying at that game.
 
One question before this thread derails :p

How is it holding up with improved Windows scheduler? I glanced over an article last year I think it was validating some of AMD's forward-thinking design choices now that software and the OS was more multicore aware. IPC was still way off, but had our modern software advanced been available back then, the Bulldozer design wouldn't have sucked quite so badly.
 
LePhuronn said:
Perfectly serious
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Fair enough. The way I read it, in two parts, made me chuckle and I thought it wasn't an entirely serious post.
LePhuronn said:
Take every leak and rumour with a bucket of salt every time, that's just par for the course.
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Agree, 100% with this. As there are months to go (rumour) until release, and there'll be plenty more rumours and leaks to keep us going.

LePhuronn said:
However, I'm not sure what "questionable" RDNA 2 stuff is coming up with the leaks. What's so questionable about what's said?
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The performance rumours. There have been some wildly different figures quoted. They can't all be right.

LePhuronn said:
Perfectly serious, so enlighten me. What's been said about RDNA 2 that's questionable? I want to know if I've missed something.
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LePhuronn said:
And if the cards are already pushing over £1,000 then what's another £150? If Nvidia can get away with charging £1,200+ for the 2080 Ti, there is no way in hell AMD aren't going to the same with the top-end RDNA 2 cards, and at that point slap HBM on there. AMD way even need to put HBM on there to keep total board power down, 16GB GDDR6 is going to be quite hungry.
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The article clearly states "rumor" numerous times. First time I've seen HBM being mentioned recently for Big Navi. Thought they'd gone away from that for the gaming cards?
Don't see much upside using it apart from bandwidth for 4k.
Downsides- HBM Cost
Heat - Higher Gpu and memory clocks meaning localised temperature hotspot - liquid cooled (extra cost)?
 
I know the article says rumour. I was offering a counter point to your "why HBM" comment. HBM still has its place, so it's not a definite no-no for gaming cards, but I sincerely doubt we'll see HBM on anything other than the super tip-top, balls-out maximum Navi (if at all).
 
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