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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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FoxEye said:
Just like all the other times recently where AMD was going to demolish X,Y,Z... I'm afraid I have a hard time believing it :D

Great if true, but for now I'm filing under "the usual AMD super-hype that will probably necessitate some serous counselling among AMD fans come release".
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Well, the new xbone specs are out, its 60fps @ 4k, 120fps @ 1440p, and its not even here yet, or is its games.

The old 2080Ti, can't even do that in games now, or even in old games.

Take the one year old Metro Exodus for example.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/metro_exodus_pc_graphics_performance_benchmarks,7.html

Its only getting 76fps @ 1440p, and only 50fps @ 4k, thats a one year old game.

Now, how much faster than the 2080Ti, does the little big navi, in the xbone sound then, with it being able to do 120fps @ 1440p, and 60fps @ 4k, in games not here yet ?

Also now, take the desktop big navi, for our PCs, it'll be non cut-down, as won't need to fit into a low powered little console, so it'll be higher clocks, higher CU count etc..., what is that going to do to the 2080Ti, and, with Nvidias top Ampere, only rumoured to be 40% faster than the 2080Ti itself, what is it going to do to that ?

Nvidia are rumoured to be worried, and id say they ought to be, going by this, as its looking like, even the little cut-down big navi in a console, is going to be too much for even Ampere, so the desktop non cut-down big navi for our PCs, with its higher clocks, and more CUs etc..., well, it doesn't bear thinking about, what thats going to do to Ampere :p

Whats everyone been saying about the rumoured 40% faster for the top Ampere, yep, its not going to be enough, and yep, they could be right :D
 
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Safetytrousers said:
What is the source for that?
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While am not jumping in here saying Nvidia is worried. I am a firm believer that Nvidia jumped in fast with a rushed job for raytracing to get ahead of the game. Hell, they are a ton of people that think RTX is actually the Ray tracing when its really DXR, its clever and what Nvidia do best so you can not fault them. They clearly know what AMD is going to bring they not stupid they have the inside info easy.

This is one AMD release that I firmly now believe is going to be a massive one going by the xbox series x and soon to be shown tomorrow PS5
 
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If you look at the latest DF Minecraft video regarding PT with an XSX you'll see that the Ray Tracing performance is more akin to a 2060. So either the RT performance in XSX is weaker than AMD's (future) GPUs, or AMD's RTRT performance itself is simply weak vs Nvidia. Time will tell.
 
If these kind of numbers translate to big navi when it finally comes out then.... well that really is a return to the high end AMD promised.
Nvidia should be concerned if true, there seems to be an awful lot of muscle being flexed here. If... still some Ifs.... but it looks good so far.
 
FoxEye said:
Just like all the other times recently where AMD was going to demolish X,Y,Z... I'm afraid I have a hard time believing it :D

Great if true, but for now I'm filing under "the usual AMD super-hype that will probably necessitate some serous counselling among AMD fans come release".
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day :D
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Well, the new xbone specs are out, its 60fps @ 4k, 120fps @ 1440p, and its not even here yet, or is its games.

The old 2080Ti, can't even do that in games now, or even in old games.

Take the one year old Metro Exodus for example.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/metro_exodus_pc_graphics_performance_benchmarks,7.html

Its only getting 76fps @ 1440p, and only 50fps @ 4k, thats a one year old game.

Now, how much faster than the 2080Ti, does the little big navi, in the xbone sound then, with it being able to do 120fps @ 1440p, and 60fps @ 4k, in games not here yet ?

Also now, take the desktop big navi, for our PCs, it'll be non cut-down, as won't need to fit into a low powered little console, so it'll be higher clocks, higher CU count etc..., what is that going to do to the 2080Ti, and, with Nvidias top Ampere, only rumoured to be 40% faster than the 2080Ti itself, what is it going to do to that ?

Nvidia are rumoured to be worried, and id say they ought to be, going by this, as its looking like, even the little cut-down big navi in a console, is going to be too much for even Ampere, so the desktop non cut-down big navi for our PCs, with its higher clocks, and more CUs etc..., well, it doesn't bear thinking about, what thats going to do to Ampere :p

Whats everyone been saying about the rumoured 40% faster for the top Ampere, yep, its not going to be enough, and yep, they could be right :D
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Are you auditioning for the job of train driver? :D

You're right - it's not here, yet. All claims are unverified.

Plus we don't know if it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

Ultimately for me, I just don't expect AMD with a smaller R&D budget to suddenly leap-frog nV. Hats off to them if they do, but for now I'm not considering it likely.

And I have no bias against consoles; I'm still planning to pick up a next-gen offering (probably PS5).
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Well, the new xbone specs are out, its 60fps @ 4k, 120fps @ 1440p, and its not even here yet, or is its games.

The old 2080Ti, can't even do that in games now, or even in old games.

Take the one year old Metro Exodus for example.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/metro_exodus_pc_graphics_performance_benchmarks,7.html

Its only getting 76fps @ 1440p, and only 50fps @ 4k, thats a one year old game.

Now, how much faster than the 2080Ti, does the little big navi, in the xbone sound then, with it being able to do 120fps @ 1440p, and 60fps @ 4k, in games not here yet ?

Also now, take the desktop big navi, for our PCs, it'll be non cut-down, as won't need to fit into a low powered little console, so it'll be higher clocks, higher CU count etc..., what is that going to do to the 2080Ti, and, with Nvidias top Ampere, only rumoured to be 40% faster than the 2080Ti itself, what is it going to do to that ?

Nvidia are rumoured to be worried, and id say they ought to be, going by this, as its looking like, even the little cut-down big navi in a console, is going to be too much for even Ampere, so the desktop non cut-down big navi for our PCs, with its higher clocks, and more CUs etc..., well, it doesn't bear thinking about, what thats going to do to Ampere :p

Whats everyone been saying about the rumoured 40% faster for the top Ampere, yep, its not going to be enough, and yep, they could be right :D
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Xbox Series X could only run 1080p 30fps in minecraft ray tracing yesterday
2080ti does 60fps capped while only using 80% of it's core, so more in the tank spare

Keep telling us how the xbox is faster than the 2080ti, im waiting
 
sideways14a said:
....ahem.... Zen....cough cough.... Zen2....
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That's the difference between "possible" and "likely". I don't expect them to do it because it isn't likely, all things considered.

Besides, nV isn't Intel. AMD's GPU division isn't AMD's CPU division.

And just because something unlikely happens once, doesn't raise the chance of it happening again.

(Also you have to question whether it was truly "unlikely" in Intel's case... they offered only 5% gains every new gen for a decade or so, and there were reports that they'd let tons of engineers go).
 
I recall a debate 2 or so years ago if ddr should be reaching speeds of gddr as standard memory for the PC. And the prevailing argument was that it was too expensive. And we don't need that level of bandwidth for solitaire and MS Word. With the console now eclipsing PCMR I wish something was done. I'm sure we can catch up on the ssd front but I sense a few dents in the PCMR armour as a whole.

With no real benefits for PCIe4 for PCIe 4 capable video cards I have to wonder if we were caught flatfooted. Making consoles look more appealing.
Once those specs are main stream I find it hard to believe that even the most laymen of the bunch would prefer it over a PC build.

I do hope AMD has some "secret sauce" for those with AMD gpus when it comes to console games because I really don't see console gaming developers spending extra time for PC moving forward. What use to be "crank up the poly-count, IQ, etc" will now be a chore to "optimize for PC" with lower mainstream PC setups.

AMD has never invoked just a brute force method. But I do wonder what incentives they willl offer 580, 590, Vega and Navi users once Navi 2x shows us that these GPUs are considered low end to mainstream.

It's no surprise at this point that these new Navi cards are going to be amazing. However, will it still be possible to play the new console games like Halo, Cyberpunk, etc at 1440p at least 60fps with current gen AMD cards...we will see.
 
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EastCoastHandle said:
I recall a debate 2 or so years ago if ddr should be reaching speeds of gddr as standard memory for the PC. And the prevailing argument was that it was too expensive. And we don't need that level of bandwidth for solitaire and MS Word. With the console now eclipsing PCMR I wish something was done. I'm sure we can catch up on the ssd front but I sense a few dents in the PCMR armour as a whole.

With no real benefits for PCIe4 for PCIe 4 capable video cards I have to wonder if we were caught flatfooted. Making consoles look more appealing.
Once those specs are main stream I find it hard to believe that even the most laymen of the bunch would prefer it over a PC build.

I do hope AMD has some "secret sauce" for those with AMD gpus when it comes to console games because I really don't see console gaming developers spending extra time for PC moving forward. What use to be "crank up the poly-count, IQ, etc" will now be a chore to "optimize for PC" with lower mainstream PC setups.

AMD has never invoked just a brute force method. But I do wonder what incentives they willl offer 580, 590, Vega and Navi users once Navi 2x shows us that these GPUs are considered low end to mainstream.

It's no surprise at this point that these new Navi cards are going to be amazing. However, will it still be possible to play the new console games like Halo, Cyberpunk, etc at 1440p at least 60fps with current gen AMD cards...we will see.
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The current way that PC's use RAM is a major bottleneck and a re-engineered architecture is needed to fix the mess. Now that the mass market is using mesh interconnected CPU's and other interconnected components are coming - the RAM is becoming more and more of a bottleneck.

I do wonder if by the time we get to Zen 5/6 we'll see AMD try to interconnect system memory straight into the die - losing the upgradability but gaining low latency and very high bandwidth by using GDDR/HBM.
 
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