AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

g67575 · 18 Oct 2020 at 06:53

TrM said:
im glad you brought up 2080 ti many of those cards are north of 300w also many have 520w 3 pin designs.

True, but the FE has a TDP of 250w, so NV can't be blamed for high tdp of AIB graphics cards.

The RTX 3080 is actually affordable for (some) high end gamers, being nearly half the price of the RTX 2080 TI. But, the RTX 2080 TI was only affordable for enthusiasts with lots of disposable £££.

g67575 · 18 Oct 2020 at 06:59

q974739 said:
If I did that the wife would kill me.

I can see how the thought of that might be *a bit* stressful

Richdog · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:01

TrM said:
Power supply is not really a consideration when buying a gpu for many many users. I expect anyone buying a 650£ graphic card to have a very nice monitor/tv to pair it with I expect the same for our power supply also and anyone dropping this kinda of money will happily upgrade psu if needed.

A PSU is the least upgraded component in a PC, it's likely that many people spending £700 GPU will be using the same 550-750w PSU's (on average) they have used for the last 2-5+ years. Then you factor in the MANY people who bought pre-built gaming PC's and probably don't even know what PSU they have until they have a reason to look for it (ie: if there's a problem). Most people with a modern rig just buy a GPU and plug it in. Also, most people have a 1440p monitor (IPS or VA) and likely nothing 'super special'... the number of a people with a gaming TV is also proportionally tiny considering they cost so much and were only available in the last couple of years.

So yeah, maybe you are being a bit optimistic with your expectations.

q974739 · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:04

g67575 said:
I can see how the thought of that might be *a bit* stressful

Apparently I've been harder to live with since the PC was fried. That and we've got *nothing* that will play cyberpunk currently.

It's been a hard 2 months, 1 day, 15 hours since then.

Troezar · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:07

Richdog said:
PSU is the least upgraded component in a PSU, it's likely that many people spending £700 GPU will be using the same 550-750w PSU's (on average) they have used for the last 2-3+ years. Then you factor in the MANY people who bought pre-built gaming PC's and probably don't even know what PSU they have until they have a reason to look for it (ie: if there's a problem). Most people with a modern rig just buy a GPU and plug it in. Also, most people have a 1440p monitor (IPS or VA) and likely nothing 'super special'... the number of a people with a gaming TV is also proportionally tiny considering they cost so much and were only available in the last couple of years.

So yeah, maybe you are being a bit optimistic with your expectations.

The biggest mistake most people make is cheap PSUs. I've known a few people kill quality components with bargain basement power supplies. My biggest reason is for stability, I hate troubleshooting issues and a few extra quid on a PSU is well worth it. I got a bargain Seasonic Ti 750W for £135 on an OCUK deal.

g67575 · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:07

PS5 digital edition is £360. that will play 2077.

TrM · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:08

Richdog said:
PSU is the least upgraded component in a PSU, it's likely that many people spending £700 GPU will be using the same 550-750w PSU's (on average) they have used for the last 2-3+ years. Then you factor in the MANY people who bought pre-built gaming PC's and probably don't even know what PSU they have until they have a reason to look for it (ie: if there's a problem). Most people with a modern rig just buy a GPU and plug it in. Also, most people have a 1440p monitor (IPS or VA) and likely nothing 'super special'... the number of a people with a gaming TV is also proportionally tiny considering they cost so much and were only available in the last couple of years.

So yeah, maybe you are being a bit optimistic with your expectations.

maybe I am. I know people don’t upgrade psu much I did say mine was 9 years old and it’s the best money I spent overall I believe it was 179£ back then.

Nablaoperator · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:09

Nablaoperator said:
rDNA2 target 1.6x per w of rDNA1 (official target 1.5)
rDNA1 params: 225w, 1755 MHz, 40 CU
rDNA2 params: 255w, 2400 MHz, 60 - 65 CU (80 to 90 % scaling)

That makes some sense.. this would be the lowest navi21 sku

Edit: this assumes tgp (nvidia specific term) is tbp (amd specific). Both mean power consumed by the whole graphic card

Alternatively, I have tried to estimate the tbp of big chungus xtx

2300 MHz, 80 CU, 295-330w (80 to 90 % scaling)

q974739 · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:10

Richdog said:
PSU is the least upgraded component in a PSU, it's likely that many people spending £700 GPU will be using the same 550-750w PSU's (on average) they have used for the last 2-3+ years.

I'm actually probably not going to buy Nvidia this time around because of the power. Even though I'm building a new machine, I'm going m -atx, and I'd rather take slightly reduced graphics over more heat to dissipate.

The PSU could take it, but it's off putting.

Edit to fix quotes

g67575 · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:10

9 years seems like good value for a PSU. my 650w seasonic gold (~£85 new) has a 12 year warranty, so its gotta last me a while.

I brought a decent one last year, as all others have gone pop after 2-4 years of gaming on each.

Richdog · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:10

Troezar said:
The biggest mistake most people make is cheap PSUs. I've known a few people kill quality components with bargain basement power supplies. My biggest reason is for stability, I hate troubleshooting issues and a few extra quid on a PSU is well worth it. I got a bargain Seasonic Ti 750W for £135 on an OCUK deal.

Before the pandemic shortages sent PSU prices into the stratosphere I got a brand new Seasonic GX850 for £100. Not they are £130+ and like hens teeth.

KentMan · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:11

Richdog said:
PSU is the least upgraded component in a PSU, it's likely that many people spending £700 GPU will be using the same 550-750w PSU's (on average) they have used for the last 2-3+ years. Then you factor in the MANY people who bought pre-built gaming PC's and probably don't even know what PSU they have until they have a reason to look for it (ie: if there's a problem). Most people with a modern rig just buy a GPU and plug it in. Also, most people have a 1440p monitor (IPS or VA) and likely nothing 'super special'... the number of a people with a gaming TV is also proportionally tiny considering they cost so much and were only available in the last couple of years.

So yeah, maybe you are being a bit optimistic with your expectations.

I totally agree, you only have to look at how many recent new users have cropped up on these forums after ordering a 3080 or 3090 and a lot of them ask basic questions that a lot of experienced enthusiasts wouldn't, a lot of these people have pre builts or self built machines with lower tier psus as well.

PSU next to monitor are often the most overlooked parts of building a PC, most people have these at the lower importance of their rig build and budget. When in fact they are arguably 2 of the more important part.

I run a 1000w Superflower platinum psu, ive had it for a good 3 years now and its been stellar, it gives me room to move to higher power parts if required, i also use a 3440x1440p 100hz monitor, ive seen people with 2080s using 23" 1080p 60hz panels which i find ridiculous personally, so many people think their game saying 300fps while on these monitors means something

Draven · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:20

thoughts guys,I am seriously now thinking cancelling my 3080 if it just wasn't for drivers on AMD and also is this going to be as hard and elusive to come by as the 3080?

Nablaoperator · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:21

Th0nt said:
Insane clocks. I am thinking the reveal will be a success for once, if they have a lineup muscling in on nvidia I do hope the stock materialises so we can bag one before scalpers and bulk buyers ruin it.

2.4 JIGA hertz is being paraded as game clock.. so boost clocks are going to be higher... undervolting should be a dream

Troezar · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:24

Richdog said:
Before the pandemic shortages sent PSU prices into the stratosphere I got a brand new Seasonic GX850 for £100. Not they are £130+ and like hens teeth.

Good buy. Like you I got in just before the lockdown. I wouldn't have bought mine if it hadn't been on a deal, £210 full price was a bit much! Probably because it was white but as the PSU is hidden in the PC O11 Dynamic it doesn't matter.

KentMan · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:25

Draven said:
thoughts guys,I am seriously now thinking cancelling my 3080 if it just wasn't for drivers on AMD and also is this going to be as hard and elusive to come by as the 3080?

This whole AMD drivers thing has to stop, their drivers have been brilliant for a long while, yes people had issues early with some 5700 cards but it was only the vocal minority who shouted about it, many of us have had zero issues for years.

Issue may be stock, a lot depends on this, but dont worry about drivers, its been a bon issue for most

Draven · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:32

KentMan said:
This whole AMD drivers thing has to stop, their drivers have been brilliant for a long while, yes people had issues early with some 5700 cards but it was only the vocal minority who shouted about it, many of us have had zero issues for years.

Issue may be stock, a lot depends on this, but dont worry about drivers, its been a bon issue for most

that gives me a little more confidence now,never actually owned a AMD card and always heard horror stories of how bad their drivers were,I guess they have got their act together and sorted them,some big numbers coming out on these cards the clock speed is just wow

Troezar · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:33

KentMan said:
This whole AMD drivers thing has to stop, their drivers have been brilliant for a long while, yes people had issues early with some 5700 cards but it was only the vocal minority who shouted about it, many of us have had zero issues for years.

Issue may be stock, a lot depends on this, but dont worry about drivers, its been a bon issue for most

Have to agree, no issues with my 5700XT at all. Hardware Unboxed didn't get the issue either. I wonder if it was just some odd hardware configurations rather than drivers causing the issues? Fresh W10 install on X570 worked for me.

Hedge · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:36

People parrot amd driver issues when they haven't even owned an AMD card. They like to do it to maintain that status Nvidia does.

They maybe do have issues but I personally would be reserving judgement until I'd used one on my own system.

It's been the fashionable thing to **** off amd drivers for years now.

KentMan · 18 Oct 2020 at 07:37

Troezar said:
Have to agree, no issues with my 5700XT at all. Hardware Unboxed didn't get the issue either. I wonder if it was just some odd hardware configurations rather than drivers causing the issues? Fresh W10 install on X570 worked for me.

Exactly this, people with bad ram timings from calculators or poor overclocks etc.

I run everything at stock, zero issues, works as intended, my 5700xt has been flawless, my 3800x and x570 again flawless, c16 3600mhz ram etc all flawless.

Buy the right components and treat them correctly and have zero problems if the hardware is not faulty