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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Vince said:
Lies... It gets a few fps Moar so the NV card is better than God! Meanwhile your AMD card is red so sucks monkey balls. That is all.
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Haha yeah like we have not heard this before over the years. Take the RX 480 its quite a classic, great for mining and tuned to be really low power. Even if you look at the nvidia offerings (1050Ti, 1060) it would be the better buy. Then more recently the 5700XT, beats the 2060S, 2070 and close with the 2070S. You have to be ignorant if you discard these facts and is where people blanket the 'nvidia has been better since..' debunks that.
 
Th0nt said:
Haha yeah like we have not heard this before over the years. Take the RX 480 its quite a classic, great for mining and tuned to be really low power. Even if you look at the nvidia offerings (1050Ti, 1060) it would be the better buy. Then more recently the 5700XT, beats the 2060S, 2070 and close with the 2070S. You have to be ignorant if you discard these facts and is where people blanket the 'nvidia has been better since..' debunks that.
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I had a 480. xfx GTR Black Edition of love. Was actually ok played csgo as 6 billion fps :) Had to swap it out for a man sized card as it looked a bit small next to TR.
 
Had AMD cards for over 18 years. Never had any major problems and if I did I would have moved to Nvidia ages ago. I did buy a GTX 970 after selling my old HD 7970 but returned it after the 3.5GB debacle and got an R9 290X instead. While I had the 970 I saw more latency fluctuations than the 7970 which were noticeable as slight fps stutter at random. I was not really happy with that stutter so was relieved when I got the 290X and experienced much smoother gameplay.

The 5700XT I have now has been excellent since day one. I think most of the people with black screens issues are running some bad memory overclocks or some other part of the system is conflicting with the card.
Not everyone is as tech savvy as they think themselves to be so chances are they will not understand how to investigate an issue and automatically jump on the 'bad AMD drivers' bandwagon. Heck I've seen a few threads on r/AMD where the AMD gpu was blamed but eventually the issues were resolved by changing a PSU or reducing the cpu overclock.
 
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Draven said:
that gives me a little more confidence now,never actually owned a AMD card and always heard horror stories of how bad their drivers were,I guess they have got their act together and sorted them,some big numbers coming out on these cards the clock speed is just wow
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~2012 had 7990, then 290x, vega56. Thats 8 years and not had these driver problems people speak of. Been on both brands for over twenty years, its one of them wifes tales that wont go away. If you keep believing them your only missing out.

fs123 said:
Had AMD cards for over 18 years. Never had any major problems and if I did I would have moved to Nvidia ages ago. I did buy a GTX 970 once but returned it after the 3.5GB debacle and got an R9 290X instead. While I had the 970 I saw more latency fluctuations when playing games which were noticeable as slight fps stutter at random which I was not really happy with so was relieved when I got the 290X and experienced much smoother gameplay.

The 5700XT I have now has been excellent since day one. I think most of the people with black screens issues are running some bad memory overclocks or some other part of the system is conflicting with the card.
Not everyone is as tech savvy as they think themselves to be so chances are they will not understand how to investigate an issue and automatically jump on the 'bad AMD drivers' bandwagon. Heck I've seen a few threads on r/AMD where the AMD gpu was blamed but eventually the issues were resolved by changing a PSU or reducing the cpu overclock.
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Awkward PSU's with sensitive rails. Daisy chaining leads, not properly nuking old graphics drivers and then lastly Window 10. Many threads where user came back with 'its gone away' have been down to the above. Many users dont experience this as its not the card's fault - I can concede in a tiny proportion it could be faulty - just like all them nvidia threads with same problems, go check their forums too.
 
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Draven said:
thoughts guys,I am seriously now thinking cancelling my 3080 if it just wasn't for drivers on AMD and also is this going to be as hard and elusive to come by as the 3080?
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I dont buy Nvidia cards due to the drivers.
If you google you find its an issue with Nvidia drivers as much as any other brand.
Many simply buy an unbalanced set up, either to weak and old psu which cant handle power draws.
They fail to update drivers, bios and what else. I visited people and they had not replaced the driver in over a year...
and wondered about their machine not working so well...

Big Navis looks to match or go beyond current Nvidia ampere cards.
I suspect at 1080P/1440p the big navi simply is the best buy.
4k dont matter due to so few play such resolutions anyway.

For a gamer the big navis combined with upcoming zen3 cpus will be the best combo.
I suspect amd will have a lot more stock than nvidia due to samsungs 8nm node is broken.
but demand is going to be huge though for Big Navis.
Realistically more supply but due to the cards being as good people simply will buy so many of them so how this will end up before 2021 is a guess atm
 
Th0nt said:
Depends on what you define as 'better'. Some of the AMD cards have actually been better if you look at them from another perspective.
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If you set up a double blind study where the player has to guess which machine runs different hardwares they be unable to do so.
HardOcp when they did this showed a card cost half as much had no real gameplay difference and the players was unable to guess which machine was which with hardware.

Time soon to buy the Nvidia Killer card the Big Dog Navi
 
Have had Radeon for 20 years now, driver issues are just fabulations (meaning not that they're perfect every release but that it doesn't have more problems than Nvidia). 99% of people complaining about it have never even had the cards in question, they just know to repeat disinformation.

That being said don't cancel your order before benchmarks come out & you can see the stock situation, I suspect miners will buy out the inventory immediately.
 
Draven said:
thoughts guys,I am seriously now thinking cancelling my 3080 if it just wasn't for drivers on AMD and also is this going to be as hard and elusive to come by as the 3080?
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My 5700XT has been brilliant lately, esp as I've been asking 4k/144hz from it! From a driver perspective I'd say you shouldn't let past concerns put you off :)

I'm certainly waiting for AMD news, more than anything a possible 16GB would be nice! nV can go ****ing do one after this disaster.
 
RBImGuy said:
If you set up a double blind study where the player has to guess which machine runs different hardwares they be unable to do so.
HardOcp when they did this showed a card cost half as much had no real gameplay difference and the players was unable to guess which machine was which with hardware.

Time soon to buy the Nvidia Killer card the Big Dog Navi
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Depends, AMD graphics generally don't look as washed out as Nvidias, the difference in visual fidelity has been documented many times.

So the above test to the trained eye can pickout the difference.

Also add adaptive sync to the mix and it gets even harder
 
RBImGuy said:
If you set up a double blind study where the player has to guess which machine runs different hardwares they be unable to do so.
HardOcp when they did this showed a card cost half as much had no real gameplay difference and the players was unable to guess which machine was which with hardware.
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Its quite true no matter what hobby, discipline or audience this is done on. I watched I think it was the Gadget Show and they got this coffee expert to taste coffee from a few machines - one of them being his own endorsed expensive barrista piece.

He picked the cheapest filter machine as the best tasting coffee maker. :)
 
KentMan said:
Depends, AMD graphics generally don't look as washed out as Nvidias, the difference in visual fidelity has been documented many times.

So the above test to the trained eye can pickout the difference.

Also add adaptive sync to the mix and it gets even harder
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I think its hard to spot in regular activities and the lower end resolutions it would be hard to tell which hardware run it better. The polar opposite say 4k max settings test would make it see-saw obvious in that regard and a trained person could tell differences the longer they get to play on the tools.
 
Twinz said:
I think ~260W 3080 would have been a small incremental improvement over the (stock) 2080Ti, and Nvidia could have sold plenty just by bringing the price back down to the $700 price point. Blowing out the power looks like an "adjustment" that may not have been in the original plan though.

Nvidia appears to be trying very hard.
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We do have 3 processors at work in the 20/30 series. Can we get some idea of individual power usage when doing different tasks raster, RT and tensor?

Is the 3080 hitting 320W in older games?
 
JediFragger said:
My 5700XT has been brilliant lately, esp as I've been asking 4k/144hz from it! From a driver perspective I'd say you shouldn't let past concerns put you off :)

I'm certainly waiting for AMD news, more than anything a possible 16GB would be nice! nV can go ****ing do one after this disaster.
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Same here. Even Star Citizen is running pretty well on it :eek:
 
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