AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:47

LePhuronn said:
Well that's just completely wrong. Did you just make that up?

AMD's launch slides showed the 5700XT beating the 2070. And it did. But then the Supers came out a week later, so any 2070s you've seen beating the 5700XT would've been the Super, and that card didn't exist when AMD unveiled Navi 10.

So what your saying is.. facts incorrect (as usual) from a non-AMD owner wanting to sneer one up, probably owns an nvidia card perchance?

Then the usual counter of "but ray tracing + DLSS"..

Proper yawn retort BS as usual on OcUK forums. It will be the same when the 6000 series shove one over the 3000 cards, clutching at straws instead of just acknowledging that the prices are low from AMD's competition. Its not worth the time @LePhuronn

Howling · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:50

Th0nt said:
So what your saying is..

Bro, since that Cathy Newman interview with Peterson... you CAN'T say that phrase anymore.....

five8five · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:51

Dontrocktheboat said:
yes it could be, that was my first thought.

Nov 28 for purchase date.

We could be well into December before we even get a sniff at the new card or anything else for that matter.

Nov 5 ryzen
Nov 10 Xbox
Nov 12 Playstation
Nov 28?? Big Navi

A worldwide CPU launch can't be taken lightly. Supporting two console launches in quick succession.
Maybe a little breathing time required for a worldwide GPU launch?
As you say, you're quickly into December for availability.

Edit: just checked the dates and the 28th is a Saturday so the 30th would be more likely.
Also the 28th is in the Thanksgiving holiday period so it's more likely the week before or after it.

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:53

Howling said:
Bro, since that Cathy Newman interview with Peterson... you CAN'T say that phrase anymore.....

Lol, I will get my coat..

RusstheDroog · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:54

Dicehunter said:
I can see this launch going exactly like the 3000 series launch -

-6900XT available for purchase.
-5 minutes later it's sold out due to an army of bots and scalpers.
-Retailers get more stock but start charging £100 extra because "reasons".

This year is terrible for GPU's, Great for the greedy though.

I happen to agree but can you actually imagine if they did do what we're not expecting and compete with Nvidia performance, price and availability? Honestly, I don't think lack of supply is an excuse. Everyone has been aware of covid restrictions at some point, globally, for not far off a year now. Last I read up on it, and this was 2 or 3 months back, there weren't any reported manufacturing slow downs and those that were had work arounds.

I'm in no hurry personally, but it would be nice to see a successful, honest launch.

muon · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:56

Vega also sold out instantly didn't it with very limited numbers? Vega 64 XTX was almost vaporware.

Can't remember what Navi was like. Probably means Navi was fine, I managed to get one on launch.

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2020 at 11:58

muon said:
Vega also sold out instantly didn't it with very limited numbers? Vega 64 XTX was almost vaporware.

Can't remember what Navi was like. Probably means Navi was fine.

Navi had dumpster fire of returns because it was horrendous with fail drivers.. or so we are led to believe.

TNA · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:01

Howling said:
Bro, since that Cathy Newman interview with Peterson... you CAN'T say that phrase anymore.....

People still love the strawman on this forum

MikeB · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:04

muon said:
Vega also sold out instantly didn't it with very limited numbers? Vega 64 XTX was almost vaporware.

Can't remember what Navi was like. Probably means Navi was fine, I managed to get one on launch.

I got my Vega 56 on the day from here, think you had about 15 minutes to get in there, nothing like the problems with the Ampere launch though, given up on Ampere full stop now, also will be trying other sites in conjunction with this one when they launch Navi

Mr Oblong · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:07

TNA said:
People still love the strawman on this forum

So what you're saying is, you're a straw man?

TNA · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:08

Mr Oblong said:
So what you're saying is, you're a straw man?

Lol.

Mr Oblong · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:09

TNA said:
Lol.

Nablaoperator · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:10

Kaapstad said:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6900xt-to-feature-navi-21-xtx-gpu-with-80-cus

I dont see this as positive newsflow..
dampens my expectations a bit as i had calibrated the card teased by AMD to be in the 64 CU range
(it would be a hard sell that they'd tease the lowest card in the tier Navi 21XL)

Nablaoperator said:
I was looking at rx5700 XT perf in gears 5 seems it's around 39-40 fps the sku teased is accordingly 1.8x Rx 5700 XT

Interested to see how AMD prices the stack?

five8five said:
Seems the Twitter leaker revised his wattage. And since then it seems to be even higher (AIB leak).
As I said previously, TGP isn't the same as TBP which seems to have caused the confusion.

I abandoned that scenario long back (just a day after) when Patrick couldnt justify 2400 mhz game clock
..just one of those failed scenarios

Sargatanas2511 · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:11

five8five said:
A worldwide CPU launch can't be taken lightly. Supporting two console launches in quick succession.
Maybe a little breathing time required for a worldwide GPU launch?
As you say, you're quickly into December for availability.

Edit: just checked the dates and the 28th is a Saturday so the 30th would be more likely.
Also the 28th is in the Thanksgiving holiday period so it's more likely the week before or after it.

They have maintained though that RDNA2 will be available on PC first, so we will see how they do it. I mean for all we know it's going to be launched the same day!

Dontrocktheboat · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:23

five8five said:
A worldwide CPU launch can't be taken lightly. Supporting two console launches in quick succession.
Maybe a little breathing time required for a worldwide GPU launch?
As you say, you're quickly into December for availability.

Edit: just checked the dates and the 28th is a Saturday so the 30th would be more likely.
Also the 28th is in the Thanksgiving holiday period so it's more likely the week before or after it.

Yeap,

new GPU before thanksgiving is a possibility that would make sense.

AMD is focusing its priorities on the Zen3 CPU, and its right to do so, CPUs will be in great demand.
Its 16% share hold on the PC GPU is less important to them and I expect that to be the case when cards do start rolling out.

Dicehunter · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:33

RusstheDroog said:
I happen to agree but can you actually imagine if they did do what we're not expecting and compete with Nvidia performance, price and availability? Honestly, I don't think lack of supply is an excuse. Everyone has been aware of covid restrictions at some point, globally, for not far off a year now. Last I read up on it, and this was 2 or 3 months back, there weren't any reported manufacturing slow downs and those that were had work arounds.

I'm in no hurry personally, but it would be nice to see a successful, honest launch.

I'm skipping AMD's 6000 series and Nvidia's 3000 series until at least September next year so stock and price can somewhat normalize, I may even entirely skip both, I have a really nicely clocked and cooled 2080 Ti in my main rig and nicely cooled little 5700XT in my HTPC so I'm in zero rush to throw money at retailers.

LePhuronn · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:52

Rroff said:
You need a ~35% increase from the 5700XT to get there (2080ti numbers) and even 7nm w/ EUV is 10-15% frequency up lift at best. Certainly not possible at 225W with conservative numbers - max numbers maybe. Frequency boosting alone is unlikely to bring a 10-15% in game performance increase either.

You are aware that RDNA 2 is not RDNA 1, yeah? We're not talking about just clock bumping, we're talking about an overhaul of the architecture. Just like Zen 3's bump, AMD's target of 50% ppw uplift is going to come from a number of different factors.

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:53

Dicehunter said:
I'm skipping AMD's 6000 series and Nvidia's 3000 series until at least September next year so stock and price can somewhat normalize, I may even entirely skip both, I have a really nicely clocked and cooled 2080 Ti in my main rig and nicely cooled little 5700XT in my HTPC so I'm in zero rush to throw money at retailers.

I would too if I had them cards tbf. I am on a Vega56 though, so Im not going to upgrade this time 1 year after the card launches as essentially your in between gens or refreshes and seem to miss the performance in some way shape or form.

LePhuronn said:
You are aware that RDNA 2 is not RDNA 1, yeah? We're not talking about just clock bumping, we're talking about an overhaul of the architecture. Just like Zen 3's bump, AMD's target of 50% ppw uplift is going to come from a number of different factors.

Didnt RGT state it was also 60% after feedback.

five8five · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:54

Nablaoperator said:
I abandoned that scenario long back (just a day after) when Patrick couldnt justify 2500 mhz game clock
..just one of those failed scenarios

I'm surprised the very high clock speeds and a low "TBP/TDP" for Navi 21 he was reporting didn't raise a red flag in his mind.
Unfortunately misinformation like this can go viral very quickly and raise false expectations.

LePhuronn · 21 Oct 2020 at 12:54

Dontrocktheboat said:
Last time I checked Xbox Series X cant run anything on windows, so it cant be compared to 2080 Super.

Show me Port royal run on Xbox series X. Yeah end of chat.

Or perhaps compare it to Gears 5 instead? You know, an actual game, not a synthetic. Oh wait, they already did, and the XSX performed better than the PC at the same IQ. Yeah end of chat.