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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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There is a great disparity between pro-gamers and pro Nvidia. Pro Gamers look for games to play. Doesn't matter what platform it's played on. It can be PC, it could be console or a combination between the two. The pursuit is that particular game.

They don't care about frame rates nor do they care about image quality unless it effects immersion. What they purchase is for gaming. Not for the enjoyment of the hardware that they buy.

So it's very hard to get them to understand why they should have more consideration for a GPU than the actual game that they looking to play it on.

That is one of the biggest disparities.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Only if they try to price too high relative to Nvidia. This is why I think they are waiting for Nvidia to launch their GPUs first.
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Why would they need to wait and instead don't calculate/forecast with appropriate models the RT performance, anyways?

I think the most serious problem in AMD is the lack of interest for developing competitive graphics products.
Big Navi first generation has never seen a release.
Big Navi second generation is extremely late already and we don't even know if it will work normally or will be another failure like Radeon HD 2900 XT or Radeon RX Vega 64.
There are rumours about small Navi 24 which is not even taped out yet.
There are rumours that the iGPU in Ryzen 5000 APUs will still sit on the old Vega architecture.

These are very deep problems for AMD and unless they begin to prioritize the products groups in a different way to today, I don't see what or who will stop nVidia from a complete market domination.
 
Only 4K8K could claim AMD lack interest in competitive graphics products. You have no idea what competitiveness is, do you.

4K8KW10 said:
These are very deep problems for AMD and unless they begin to prioritize the products groups in a different way to today, I don't see what or who will stop nVidia from a complete market domination.
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AMD dominate console graphics. AMD are massively resurgent in the laptop space, currently humiliating both Intel and Nvidia and seeing unexpected OEM volume orders. AMD's APU technology is finally poised to carve out a genuine niche in the HTPC space. AMD have licensed RDNA to Samsung which brings major competition to the mobile space. All of these markets dwarf the tiny little nerd thing called PC gaming. You think their prioritise are wrong? I think you have no understanding at all if you claim PC gaming means a damn thing.

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Big Navi first generation has never seen a release.
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Of which I shall always lament the missed opportunity to shut the haterzz, fanbois and shills up a year ago. If Navi hadn't hit problems (whatever they may have been), the 2080 Ti, and Turing as a whole, would've been exposed as the overpriced junk it is.
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Big Navi second generation is extremely late already...
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According to who? You? Nobody has ever given a release date for RDNA 2. And it's only been a year since RDNA 1 came out. So if RDNA 2 comes out sometime before the end of this years, it'll have been 14-18 months after RDNA 1. Exactly the same as the Ryzen schedule, but I don't see anybody saying Ryzen is "extremely late".
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There are rumours about small Navi 24 which is not even taped out yet.
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And.....
4K8KW10 said:
There are rumours that the iGPU in Ryzen 5000 APUs will still sit on the old Vega architecture.
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And there goes your credibility, if you ever had any. Vega in the APUs is not the old Vega arch. It might as well be called Vega 2 given how it was massively improved pretty much the moment Raja was booted. You complain that "we don't even know if [RDNA 2] will work normally or will be another failure like Radeon HD 2900 XT" yet you want AMD to slap it into the next generation APUs immediately?

It's a shame you didn't use your ban to get better educated.
 
:laugh: RDNA 1 is already 50% faster performance per watt than that Vega.
Vega no matter how much improvements does get, is still an old architecture with many missing features.

Ryzen 5000 APUs have to be with RDNA 1st generation, Ryzen 6000 APUs have to be with RDNA 2nd generation.


You don't even know what you are talking about. There hasn't been a ban.

It is my free will to stop posting in censored forum.
 
The Samsung thing is significant, they have done what Nvidia failed to do, that was to get their IP in major ARM based mobile devices, they don't get much more major than Samsung and Samsung are looking to take on Qualcomm, the largest ARM based SoC company and so far Samsung's RDNA ARM chips are benchmarking WAY above Qualcomm.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Why would they need to wait and instead don't calculate/forecast with appropriate models the RT performance, anyways?

I think the most serious problem in AMD is the lack of interest for developing competitive graphics products.
Big Navi first generation has never seen a release.
Big Navi second generation is extremely late already and we don't even know if it will work normally or will be another failure like Radeon HD 2900 XT or Radeon RX Vega 64.
There are rumours about small Navi 24 which is not even taped out yet.
There are rumours that the iGPU in Ryzen 5000 APUs will still sit on the old Vega architecture.

These are very deep problems for AMD and unless they begin to prioritize the products groups in a different way to today, I don't see what or who will stop nVidia from a complete market domination.
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From what I head,AMD is trying to not only launch the consoles,but Zen3 and RDNA2 all within the same time period. Either way,if Big Navi has problems as you say,better AMD irons out as many of them as possible,and at least seeing how Nvidia prices things will help. In some ways this is what happened with the HD4870,as the HD3870 was only a stop-gap generation which didn't last too long.

What AMD needs to avoid is another bug filled launch,and ATI seemed to handle launches much better. I hope AMD doesn't have another crap stock cooler,and at least can have AIB closer to the launch window.
 
Stupid waiting for Nvidia to launch first.

Release couple of months before, get a load of sales in, then when Nvidia eventually release, if they are cheaper, they can then adjust their prices.

Release a couple of months after, and no one buys, even if they are cheaper, as everyones on an Ampere.
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Stupid waiting for Nvidia to launch first.

Release couple of months before, get a load of sales in, then when Nvidia eventually release, if they are cheaper, they can then adjust their prices.

Release a couple of months after, and no one buys, even if they are cheaper, as everyones on an Ampere.
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It didn't happen with the HD4870,if anything it was funny as the price tumbled down on the GTX200 series. The problem is unless it's 6 months earlier,if its a month or two,people will just wait for Ampere anyway. This is what happened with the HD7970. Most people just waited the 2~3 months or so for the GTX680,and Nvidia hardly dropped GTX580 prices for a while.

AMD,should have delayed that after the GTX680,and launched it with the higher clockspeeds,it should have launched with.
 
The consoles with RDNA2 GPU's in them are already shipping for assembly.

If AMD has problems with RDNA2 why are they shipping?
 
There are no titles to play on the new consoles. Halo got delayed, so I bet the consoles are thinking they should not rush but its too late to drag the feet now.
 
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AMD will not win, and that's fine, so long as they are at least at the level of the 2'nd card and Nvidia have to throw everything at it to get the fastest card.... i'm ok with that.
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AMD haven't won anything in forever but if they can disrupt the GPU market like they have done with CPUs then we're all winners (apart from those arguing Nvidia should keep charging relatively more for relatively smaller performance increases :rolleyes:)
 
Jacky60 said:
AMD haven't won anything in forever but if they can disrupt the GPU market like they have done with CPUs then we're all winners (apart from those arguing Nvidia should keep charging relatively more for relatively smaller performance increases :rolleyes:)
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Then let them buy and overpay. My money will be where I got the most performance per currency spent. Some people just want to spend money to be able to say that they spent money even when there is no extra value added for doing so. I don't get it but that is their problem.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It didn't happen with the HD4870,if anything it was funny as the price tumbled down on the GTX200 series. The problem is unless it's 6 months earlier,if its a month or two,people will just wait for Ampere anyway. This is what happened with the HD7970. Most people just waited the 2~3 months or so for the GTX680,and Nvidia hardly dropped GTX580 prices for a while.

AMD,should have delayed that after the GTX680,and launched it with the higher clockspeeds,it should have launched with.
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Watching the price tumble of the 280 was one of the most entertaining things I've experienced with GPUs. I remember I held out really annoyed at the price bump then came the 4870 hallelujah!
 
Phixsator said:
Then let them buy and overpay. My money will be where I got the most performance per currency spent. Some people just want to spend money to be able to say that they spent money even when there is no extra value added for doing so. I don't get it but that is their problem.
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Agreed, I also think people are definitely ready for a new generation of GPUs. Current top end e.g. 2080ti is struggling with 4K 60 in AAA games already and games have got noticeably better visually recently compared to 2-3 years ago.
 
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