they have Apple, laptop and consol so its not like they dont have desktop solely.
covering all that takes time.
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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0
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they have Apple, laptop and consol so its not like they dont have desktop solely.
covering all that takes time.
Yea, and its going to be even better
BTW how June is a delay, when all they said was "summer" "2H of the year" "back to school" etc?
Polaris has not been delayed until June, it was always officially being released in Summer 2016 and any other dates were pure speculation. By that logic Pascal is also delayed based on the fact many so called tech sites were claiming April.
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I am going by the SA article and it seems weird with AMD showing off all the samples that Nvidia beats them to the launch or at least roughly around the same time the cards will be available to purchase.
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So,an R9 390X in a card closer in size to a Nano and certainly much smaller than the R9 390/390X,not far off performance to a Nano and probably lower power draw.
Yeah,count me in!
What you just described needs to be a sub 200 option or else we're getting milked, Yet again!
If they offer 390x/Nano/Fury performance for 300 ish and expect the fact that it draws less power and makes less heat makes it a worthwhile upgrade they must be high.
The very least they should offer is everything down one as it was when the 7970 became the 280x and the 290x slotted in at the top as the 7970's replacement. The current gen didn't sit right, They may have added the Fury line but they haven't provided a 100% consistent lead over the Grenada chips and you sometimes get less performance in older games.
Yeah I don't understand his excitement. "It's nearly the same perf/£ we've had for over a year, but it's a small card! And sips power!"
Rumour sites are talking $299, which as we know equates to about £250 after VAT.
Like you, I think that's too much, when the only real benefit is small size and reduced power consumption.
For those who already have 970s or 390/Xs, it's a non-event.
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Agreed, a 290 that just uses less power for another year, is not exciting at all, especially for a new node, what happened to the big performance increase a new node should bring, that everyones been banging on about for months and months, its bloody laughable.
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While it's bad for power users and that, I think people don't realise the huge pressure been put on companies to reduce power consumption.
I think the die shrink is about power savings. Performance/watt will be the most important metric. But there should be some performance increases despite that and I would hope that the midrange polaris will perform better than the 390.
But, I am hoping that these new cards, from Nvidia and AMD, have huge overclocking potential. That they are released from the manufacturer within whatever power guidelines limits that they are restrained to, with lower clock speeds etc, but, once you have the card at home, that they overclock like crazy!!
TSMC which nVidia are using seems a little better for performance gains, the process AMD is using seems to have its biggest gains in power efficiency over all out performance.
I think people are underestimating a bit the performance gains likely to be seen in newer DX12, etc. games though over current cards where the performance delta is likely to be a lot more remarkable than older games.
Interesting to see that everyone already seems to know exactly where the performance of Nvidia and AMD sit before anyone knows anything about any of them.
Of course predictably the conclusion is *Nvidia better*.
Get real, stop trying to establish facts you know are utter junk.
Of course predictably the conclusion is *Nvidia better*.
Get real, stop trying to establish facts you know are utter junk.
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I keep saying £200 - if it's £250 to £300 it will be a £100 cheaper Nano which I am not as much interested in. I might as wait until next year.
At £200 it's a massive improvement over the R9 380x and gtx960.
The most I ever spent is £180 on an 8800gts 512mb and that was due to Crysis. I budget upto £200.
Also people keep talking about r9 290 owners - on steam there are more gtx960,gtx750ti,gtx760 and gtx660 owners than all the gtx970,gtx980 and r9 290/390 owners combined. Most of the 60 series cards launched at close to £200.
Just because some of us are more peasant gamers we don't mind a decent improvement lol.
You forget many of the hardware enthusiasts here will just think nothing of buying £500+ worth of cards or a£300 Core i7. More people are buying core i3s and core i5s. Did you know the positively ancient fx6300 is the 4th best selling CPU on Newegg in the US in 2015 which is a huge retailer.
Most people here will say spend another £80 on a core i5 as it is not much more expensive and faster.
Regarding the power usage and card size - I know plenty of people wanting to go towards smaller rigs. The r9 290/390 are huge cards and they really are poor fits for them unless you go for huge Itx cases. I have not had an atx rig for years.
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Which for some reason does not use Async while it does on Xbone (wonder why that is). There is no gains on either side from Dx12 to speak of so was pointless adding it in in the first place.
ANDMatt has confirmed that it actually does use async on DX12. He didn't at first until I questioned him on it and brought out quotes from the developer. He then spoke to his internal people who confirmed async use on PC DX12.
Edit: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29296182&postcount=17
Time to put away the tin foil.
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Well from the pascal info we know the cards should not have issues using async like Maxwell even though AMD might be a bit better still.
It will be interesting to see if Polaris has support for the features Maxwell and newer Intel IGPs have which Hawaii and Fiji don't support.
It will be interesting to see if Polaris has support for the features Maxwell and newer Intel IGPs have which Hawaii and Fiji don't support.
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Fair enough. I just done some quick searching and a lot of people thought it was not in there. Still it appears to be the worst implementation of Dx12 yet when comparing to dx11. The big plus i see is Minimum frame rates on the AMD side.
Actually on the contrary, Fottemberg mentioned that Pascal samples are still having issues with Async. I haven't seen anything contradicting him anyway
It shouldn't be surprising, especially when devs openly admitted they were too lazy to properly code the DX12 version
That's be great. But that's my point - AMD are going to have to have really great prices for Polaris 10 if Nvidia want to get aggressive with prices, which I think they'd want to. If AMD aren't offering anything for 380/390 owners to step up to, Nvidia could sweep that segment with near enough no competition outside of heavily discounted 4GB Fury's. So AMD will have to counter by trying to sweep the lower segment.
Goes to show that just because you aren't showing something off doesn't mean you dont actually have anything to show. Of course we still dont know when anything is coming out, so we'll see, but that was always a fallacious argument.
We actually have pretty good sources on the sizes of Polaris 10 and GP104. Unless Nvidia have seriously botched Pascal or AMD have hired literal wizards to empower Polaris, then it should give a pretty good indication of 'which will be faster' at the very least.
But believe what you need to believe.
Lots of people claim Elvis is still alive, or that 9/11 was a false flag operation.
It's tiresome that people here are willing to believe any old nonsense as long as it fits their agenda.
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Tbf i should have searched a bit harder. I usually do but was on my phone at the time.