AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

FoxEye · 7 May 2016 at 09:12

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
This is probably why AMD is taking their time now - they realised the area they wan't to launch cards in is not being contested by Nvidia. The latest leaks say Q3 for the rest of the lineup for Nvidia.

Will you still be defending them if nV manage to release their 1060 and 1050 before AMD does (August/September ish)?

I just don't know wth AMD are playing at. They've demo'd cards months ago, apparently had a couple months advantage due to the process, and yet we still appear to be on course for September/back to school release.

And even then AMD won't have ANYTHING for current 970/390 owners to upgrade to.

WTH, AMD? How can you keep defending them when they are dragging their heels and not even addressing the top end of the market this time? How?

eddyr · 7 May 2016 at 09:16

FoxEye said:
Will you still be defending them if nV manage to release their 1060 and 1050 before AMD does (August/September ish)?

I just don't know wth AMD are playing at. They've demo'd cards months ago, apparently had a couple months advantage due to the process, and yet we still appear to be on course for September/back to school release.

And even then AMD won't have ANYTHING for current 970/390 owners to upgrade to.

WTH, AMD? How can you keep defending them when they are dragging their heels and not even addressing the top end of the market this time? How?

I'd hold judgement until there is more info. If they are pursuing OEM sales that a lot of volume commitment.

humbug · 7 May 2016 at 09:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Maybe because you need to look at the launch again.

The two cards being launched on May 27th and June 10th are the GTX1080 Founders Editon for $699(£580 including VAT) and the GTX1070 Founders Edition for $449(£375 including VAT):

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

There is no ETA on the cheaper non-reference cards yet.

The GTX1080 is meant to be 25% faster than a GTX980TI according to AT,ie,around GTX980TI Matrix level,and has 40% more TFLOPS than the GTX1070 and GDDR5. The GTX980 had only 20% more TFLOPs than the GTX970,so it looks like the GTX1070 cannot touch the GTX1080.

So at this point,the whole sub £375 market is clear now.

This is probably why AMD is taking their time now - they realised the area they wan't to launch cards in is not being contested by Nvidia. The latest leaks say Q3 for the rest of the lineup for Nvidia.

Its almost like they are avoiding each other for now!!

I'm somewhat impressed but not screaming and whooping mad for them and Jen.

When you cut through the hype and get to the small print what we actually end up with is a GTX 1080 that is a good chunk faster than a GTX 980TI for £600, later coming down in price to about £500 when AIB's get to sell theirs.

And a GTX 1070 as fast as a GTX 980TI for a bit under £400, again later coming down to about £300.

Consider that a GTX 980TI right now starts at £530.
So the GTX 1080 is a good deal more expensive at launch later coming down to about the same price.

A GTX 980 right now starts at about £375, so the GTX 1070 starts at the same price as a GTX 980 with later AIB cards a bit more expensive than current GTX 970's

That actually is pretty much where i at least expected it all to be, 1070 matching a 980TI for about GTX 970 Money, as it turns out its actually a bit more expensive than that....

Should AMD be worried like some of our own screaming and whooping Nvidia fans rant on?
lol no! IMO P10 can match this performance and better the price.

Diagro · 7 May 2016 at 10:15

They are raising the prices again... sigh

Nvidia doing what they do best... and when their TI range comes out it will be most likely £650 -£700.

Bloody sods

Mauller · 7 May 2016 at 10:20

Considering the clocks these new nvidia parts are requiring to beat their former parts. I think Ellesmere XT will do fine against them as long as it is matching furyx / 980ti performance at a base clock of 1.150 ghz. It will have far more overclock headroom compared to the 1070/80.

Overlag · 7 May 2016 at 10:28

FoxEye said:
OK, where the heck is AMD's launch event?

AMD were never launching a card in May?

tavtavtav · 7 May 2016 at 10:36

Mauller said:
Considering the clocks these new nvidia parts are requiring to beat their former parts. I think Ellesmere XT will do fine against them as long as it is matching furyx / 980ti performance at a base clock of 1.150 ghz. It will have far more overclock headroom compared to the 1070/80.

You cannot really say that with certainty as whatever clocks nvidia need to get their shown performance, they are actually shown to be able to reach those clocks.

There's no way of knowing whether or not AMD will have massive overclocking headroom at this time. They may very well do, but they may not. This is true with nVidias offerings aswell.

FoxEye · 7 May 2016 at 10:37

Overlag said:
AMD were never launching a card in May?

I mainly meant "Why is AMD still saying absolutely nothing, why do we know nothing, why have nV beaten them to release, what the heck are they waiting for" etc

AMD can't afford to be months behind nV in terms of launch. Unless as some have speculated they have no cards competing with the 1080/1070. Which would be a terrible result anyhow.

Mei · 7 May 2016 at 10:37

Diagro said:
They are raising the prices again... sigh

Nvidia doing what they do best... and when their TI range comes out it will be most likely £650 -£700.

Bloody sods

i think its called testing the waters hehe
i dont think amd are looking to compete with the 1080?
they will need to get close to the 1070 tho, to be good value yknow...

unless they going super cheap
amd should have better mobile parts this time which would be great news, hope thats true

sam77 · 7 May 2016 at 10:37

FoxEye said:
Will you still be defending them if nV manage to release their 1060 and 1050 before AMD does (August/September ish)?

I just don't know wth AMD are playing at. They've demo'd cards months ago, apparently had a couple months advantage due to the process, and yet we still appear to be on course for September/back to school release.

And even then AMD won't have ANYTHING for current 970/390 owners to upgrade to.

WTH, AMD? How can you keep defending them when they are dragging their heels and not even addressing the top end of the market this time? How?

Wow the entitlement.

I think it's hard to be one of two sole providers of computer graphics for the human race...

Enjoy your rage faces, though.

FoxEye · 7 May 2016 at 10:40

sam77 said:
Wow the entitlement.

I think it's hard to be one of two sole providers of computer graphics for the human race...

Enjoy your rage faces, though.

You could call it entitlement, or you could call it cold, hard reality.

AMD are in competition with nVidia. If they fail to respond to nVidia, our sense of "entitlement" will see us giving nVidia our business.

AMD have to compete with nV, which means that they can't just bury their heads in the sand and release what they want to, when they want to, with no regard for the competition and what they're doing.

In short: AMD have to compete, and where are they? Late again? Pulling out of the enthusiast territory? We don't know for sure, because they're staying absolutely silent, but many now think things are looking bad for them.

karik666 · 7 May 2016 at 11:14

Does anyone have any idea when Amd are gonna give us solid info for polaris 10.

We need to know proper release dates, price and performance,rather than the vague back to school,that amd have said.

Amd being so secretive does not help them.

Nvidia 1070 and 1080 look to be fantastic cards,and i can see people buying the nvidia cards instead of polaris.

Seanspeed · 7 May 2016 at 11:16

humbug said:
And a GTX 1070 as fast as a GTX 980TI for a bit under £400

humbug said:
Consider that a GTX 980TI right now starts at £530. So the GTX 1080 is a good deal more expensive at launch

You're confusing $ for £ here man. 1070 will be closer to £300 and 1080 will likely be about £470-500.

I agree with you generally, though. I'm not blown away largely because they did exactly as I predicted they would, basically to the tee.

Pricing wasn't super aggressive, so it does leave AMD some breathing room. Which is good. I think they'll be forced to cut their Fury prices significantly and I expect Polaris 10 to be in the £200-225 range.

JediFragger · 7 May 2016 at 11:23

FoxEye said:
I mainly meant "Why is AMD still saying absolutely nothing, why do we know nothing, why have nV beaten them to release, what the heck are they waiting for" etc

AMD can't afford to be months behind nV in terms of launch. Unless as some have speculated they have no cards competing with the 1080/1070. Which would be a terrible result anyhow.

AMD need to get some solid performance info out in the wild pronto imo, next couple of days at the latest.

Unless it's not so good, and then stay silent

*Already* behind on the DP 1.4 thing...

humbug · 7 May 2016 at 11:25

Seanspeed said:
You're confusing $ for £ here man. 1070 will be closer to £300 and 1080 will likely be about £470-500.

I agree with you generally, though. I'm not blown away largely because they did exactly as I predicted they would, basically to the tee.

Pricing wasn't super aggressive, so it does leave AMD some breathing room. Which is good. I think they'll be forced to cut their Fury prices significantly and I expect Polaris 10 to be in the £200-225 range.

I'm not confusing anything, the 1080 starts at $700, thats £485 + 20% = £570.
The 1070 starts at $450, £311 + 20% = £373.

Later when AIB cards launch:

1080 $600, £415 + 20% = £498
1070 $380, £263 + 20% = £315.

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

Google my card, in the US it casts $299.99, in the UK the same card costs £289.99.

Because of VAT the US to UK conversion is just about the same in numbers only we pay it in sterling. so my prediction here is actually conservative.

flopper · 7 May 2016 at 11:25

FoxEye said:
In short: AMD have to compete, and where are they? Late again?

Not sure where you been the last 6 months, bury your head in the sand? didnt use google? didnt read articles?
AMD stated, computex presentation and cards out in June if memory serves dec 2015 so how is that then late?
How can you even say something like that when the truth is your wrong fully?

since pascal wont do async compute in hardware as it seems atm and every game coming out is created with amd hardware as a baseline, guess what happens when you have to brute force and use drivers to emulate?

No future with pascal.

JediFragger · 7 May 2016 at 11:26

flopper said:
Not sure where you been the last 6 months

Aren't AMD supposed to be 6 months ahead of nVidia? Did they launch last November and nobody noticed??

JediFragger · 7 May 2016 at 11:27

flopper said:
since pascal wont do async compute in hardware as it seems atm

Got some proof to back that up Floppy? Link?? Nobody knows anything for sure at the moment, so stop spreading the bull without proof dude

Ayahuasca · 7 May 2016 at 11:27

Yes Pascal has zero future, we all know Polaris shines so brightly the discrete GPU market share this time next year will be 80:20 in favour of AMD.

Seanspeed · 7 May 2016 at 11:28

humbug said:
I'm not confusing anything, the 1080 starts at $700, thats £485 + 20% = £570.
The 1070 starts at $450, £311 + 20% = £373.

Later when AIB cards launch:

1080 $600, £415 + 20% = £498
1070 $380, £263 + 20% = £315.

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

Google my card, in the US it casts $299.99, in the UK the same card costs £289.99

1080 starts at $599.

1070 starts at $379.

You're looking at the Founder's Edition cards.