AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

[FoxEye]

AMD stated, computex presentation and cards out in June if memory serves dec 2015 so how is that then late?

All I've heard is "back to school". And a load of arguing over what that meant

You have a source for June release?

 

[Seanspeed]

every game coming out is created with amd hardware as a baseline

Not true. And of those that do have console-led development strategies, it doesn't mean that PC optimization inherently favors AMD, either.

 

[humbug]

1080 starts at $599.

1070 starts at $379.

You're looking at the Founder's Edition cards.

Yes, thats exactly what i said, you quoted me to correct me and then said exactly what i said. lol....
Even after Nvidia spent a month selling reference cards at a premium the 1080 still ends just as expensive as the GTX 980TI and the 1070 more expensive than the GTX 970, in fact the 1070 is priced more like a 980.

 

[Mercutio]

You could call it entitlement, or you could call it cold, hard reality.

AMD are in competition with nVidia. If they fail to respond to nVidia, our sense of "entitlement" will see us giving nVidia our business.

AMD have to compete with nV, which means that they can't just bury their heads in the sand and release what they want to, when they want to, with no regard for the competition and what they're doing.

In short: AMD have to compete, and where are they? Late again? Pulling out of the enthusiast territory? We don't know for sure, because they're staying absolutely silent, but many now think things are looking bad for them.

So if AMD HAD released first you wouldn't be spinning it about "wanting early sales as they know the nvidia card will win"?
As we've now seen from furyX vs 980ti, AMD make up ground pretty well. If you want to buy a card now, you're exactly right, there's nothing answering the nvidia releases RIGHT NOW. Ignoring speculation on what's coming gets to looking very blinkered "well they didn't release their card on the same day so they clearly lost and don't have an answer" - complete hyperbole.
The AMD release has been slated as August/Sept ("back to school" season was I think how it was worded) as far back as late March/early April.
See what ends up the best card unless you must buy one now in which case, the 1080 is clearly the best card. The ti will be ready to release around the time of Polaris I'd imagine so we can see then what's what. This, at the moment, is a release of a "middle of high end" card. We all know there's a better nvidia card to follow, getting frothy over this is pretty crazy.

We're at a point where the folks on the "glorious PC master race" facebook group are (generally) more rational than the denizens of OcUK forums...

 

[Seanspeed]

Yes, thats exactly what i said

Your direct quotes:

"I'm not confusing anything, the 1080 starts at $700"

"The 1070 starts at $450"

Not at all what you said.

 

[$h@d0w]

Pricing from the horse's mouth:

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 "Founders Edition" will be available on May 27 for $699. It will be available from ASUS, Colorful, EVGA, Gainward, Galaxy, Gigabyte, Innovision 3D, MSI, NVIDIA. Palit, PNY and Zotac. Custom boards from partners will vary by region and pricing is expected to start at $599.

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 "Founders Edition" will be available on June 10 for $449. Custom boards from partners are expected to start at $379.

Edit - in otherwords, there is no non-founders edition. The founders card is the reference card.

 

[Mauller]

AMD need to get some solid performance info out in the wild pronto imo, next couple of days at the latest.

Unless it's not so good, and then stay silent

*Already* behind on the DP 1.4 thing...

I think they will do fine if P10XT has furyx performance with P10XT clocked at 1.15 ghz. The Die shrink should give them a lot of clocking overhead if they need to make a part that matches the 1080. Especially with them saying it has a TDP of 175Watt and barely reaches that in the majority of cases.

At this time the DP 1.4 thing is a bit irrelevant, for the forseeable future DP1.3 is more than enough. This is a bit different compared to the Furyx not having HDMI2.0. DP1.4 does not improve the bandwith over DP1.3, it just adds an update to the compression used in 1.3. So it can be a fairly quick upgrade as much of the underlying systems are unchanged.

 

[Seanspeed]

Pricing from the horse's mouth:

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080



Edit - in otherwords, there is no non-founders edition. The founders card is the reference card.

Huh - that's very strange.

Anybody the least bit sensible will wait for the cheaper, better cooled cards.

 

[humbug]

Your direct quotes:

"I'm not confusing anything, the 1080 starts at $700"

"The 1070 starts at $450"

Not at all what you said.

Those are the prices Nvidia will start selling the reference cards.
Later board partners will get them, they will sell them at $100 less.

1080: founders card (reference) $700 (about <£600)
1070: founders card (reference) $450 (about <£400)

Later Board partners will sell them at:

1080 $600, £415 + 20% = £498
1070 $380, £263 + 20% = £315.

its all right here http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

Any guesses as to when we'll hear something concrete from AMD?

 

[muziqaz]

Any guesses as to when we'll hear something concrete from AMD?

computex

 

[humbug]

Any guesses as to when we'll hear something concrete from AMD?

E3, Jun, probably.

 

[Seanspeed]

Those are the prices Nvidia will start selling the reference cards.
Later board partners will get them, they will sell them at $100 less.

1080: founders card (reference) $700 (about <£600)
1070: founders card (reference) $450 (about <£400)

Later Board partners will sell them at:

1080 $600, £415 + 20% = £498
1070 $380, £263 + 20% = £315.

its all right here http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

I gotcha. Usually when somebody says 'will start at' they mean the lowest price product in the range. But you mean it in a literal sense. My bad.

 

[humbug]

I gotcha. Usually when somebody says 'will start at' they mean the lowest price product in the range. But you mean it in a literal sense. My bad.

I did explain myself, i quoted the link i was referring to.

When you cut through the hype and get to the small print what we actually end up with is a GTX 1080 that is a good chunk faster than a GTX 980TI for £600, later coming down in price to about £500 when AIB's get to sell theirs.

And a GTX 1070 as fast as a GTX 980TI for a bit under £400, again later coming down to about £300.

 

[faceman123]

Rip amd no dp 1.4 doa

 

[humbug]

Rip amd no dp 1.4 doa

Did you just make that up or do you know something no one else does?

 

[Tute]

I really wouldn't bite, humbug.

 

[JediFragger]

Did you just make that up or do you know something no one else does?

Polaris has been stated to have 1.3 and Pascal 1.4

 

[Mauller]

Rip amd no dp 1.4 doa

DP1.4 has the same signaling and raw bandwith as DP1.3, what it does have is an updated compression method. It would not take much for AMD to add it to other parts. But i doubt we will see it on Polaris parts as DP1.3 is adequate for the near future. We will more than likely see DP1.4 on Vega or even later polaris refresh parts.

 

[humbug]

Polaris has been stated to have 1.3 and Pascal 1.4

By AMD?