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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Ok, has anything changed in the last week or so? I stopped keeping track of this thread when I found out that the Polaris 10 and 11 cards are aimed at lower midrange market. Performing like the 390 cards but replacing the 380/370 cards.

Has any new information been released?

And if nothing new has come about, why are people expecting these cards to beat the 1070/1080 cards which are in a completely different price/performance bracket?
 
Mtom said:
AMD will hold an event at end of may before computex is no news.
Polaris will be mainstream, cheap, and 2/3 size of GP104 so they will be in different tiers and won't really compete are no news either.
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I believe the won't compete bit if what you say is true, All the other news you pointed out would mean that amd for at least 6 months will allow nvidia even more sales because nvidia cards are more powerful in games ( if benchmarks show this ) But that's ok because they 'may' be cheaper!

I doubt that's what amd wanted at all with new Polaris, But if that's the case and your right then all the people on 680 / 7970 or below cards will be rushing to buy them, us that want higher end cards will buy the 1080 I suppose.

Unless amd Polaris does have better than fury x performance after all.
 
Ian Evey said:
I believe the won't compete bit if what you say is true, All the other news you pointed out would mean that amd for at least 6 months will allow nvidia even more sales because nvidia cards are more powerful in games ( if benchmarks show this ) But that's ok because they 'may' be cheaper!

I doubt that's what amd wanted at all with new Polaris, But if that's the case and your right then all the people on 680 / 7970 or below cards will be rushing to buy them, us that want higher end cards will buy the 1080 I suppose.

Unless amd Polaris does have better than fury x performance after all.
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AMD launch the small and midrange cards, NV the high end ones.
Thats the logical step for AMD, as they need market share, and this is counted by sales...and the high volume sales are in the mid range. Also they received a lot of flak lately because they didn't launched new cards in the low-end tier.

OFC i would like to see the high end AMD cards as well, thats what i'm interested in, but those will come later.
 
Relentless81 said:
Is this confirmed? I'll be very disappointed if so and will be reluctantly looking to Nvidia for my next card
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Well at the last press event AMD stated that Polaris was for the mainstream market. I presume that means sub £200, maybe £250.

They might come very close in performance to the 1070, but, I don't think they were intended to compete against each other.
 
Ian Evey said:
I believe the won't compete bit if what you say is true, All the other news you pointed out would mean that amd for at least 6 months will allow nvidia even more sales because nvidia cards are more powerful in games ( if benchmarks show this ) But that's ok because they 'may' be cheaper!

I doubt that's what amd wanted at all with new Polaris, But if that's the case and your right then all the people on 680 / 7970 or below cards will be rushing to buy them, us that want higher end cards will buy the 1080 I suppose.

Unless amd Polaris does have better than fury x performance after all.
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how is AMD allowing nvidia to sell more ? how many cards sell more ? the one a 400-600£ or the ones at 100-300£, the volume sale is on low/mid end, not on high end, Nvidia might have bigger margins, but £200 cards sell a lot more volume than £500 cards.
here the only potential competition in a market segment could be polaris10XT against 1070, if performance is close enough(sub20%) AND price difference is high enough(around100£), then ppl would chose to save 100£ by sacrificing an acceptable ammount of performance, or spend the extra 100£ they see it justifies the extra perfomance.
 
Mtom said:
AMD launch the small and midrange cards, NV the high end ones.
Thats the logical step for AMD, as they need market share, and this is counted by sales...and the high volume sales are in the mid range. Also they received a lot of flak lately because they didn't launched new cards in the low-end tier.

OFC i would like to see the high end AMD cards as well, thats what i'm interested in, but those will come later.
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Except nvidia's runaway success card last time was the 970, and they are about to release the 1070 at a not entirely dissimilar price point (ignoring our crappy exchange rate)
 
Steampunk said:
So P10 is shaping up to be just 390 performance (or a little more) at a cheaper price, and using less power, probably taking the 480 slot.
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Nobody knows. The chip is small in comparison to Pascal but nobody knows how many transistors have been packed in or how potent the Polaris architecture is. AMD said they want to bring VR performance at a lower price. The 390 is the lowest recommended card for VR in the AMD range. Everyone now thinks that's where Polaris will be but it could be way faster. It's a wait and see if Polaris is going to surprise us or not.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Nobody knows. The chip is small in comparison to Pascal but nobody knows how many transistors have been packed in or how potent the Polaris architecture is. AMD said they want to bring VR performance at a lower price. The 390 is the lowest recommended card for VR in the AMD range. Everyone now thinks that's where Polaris will be but it could be way faster. It's a wait and see if Polaris is going to surprise us or not.
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Polaris has to be near 980Ti levels or AMD are going to have a very hard time. So much so it would seem hardly worth releasing without any flagship cards in the range to back it up as Nvidia could no doubt just cover it off with the 1070 and a 1060 and 1060ti.

For that reason I am fully expecting Polaris 10 to be near or on a par with a 980Ti and therefore giving the 1070 a run for its money.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Nobody knows. The chip is small in comparison to Pascal but nobody knows how many transistors have been packed in or how potent the Polaris architecture is. AMD said they want to bring VR performance at a lower price. The 390 is the lowest recommended card for VR in the AMD range. Everyone now thinks that's where Polaris will be but it could be way faster. It's a wait and see if Polaris is going to surprise us or not.
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Yip wait and see really, if Polaris is a 390/390x replacement with improvements it could still be just like the 1080/1070's and become AMDs flagship cards however time will tell
 
Jono8 said:
For that reason I am fully expecting Polaris 10 to be near or on a par with a 980Ti and therefore giving the 1070 a run for its money.
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I think AMD are banking a lot on a slightly non-traditional strategy this time around and only time will tell if they can pull it off - a mixture of deep dive architecture improvements and betting on game optimisation wins i.e. from the console aspect.

Their strongest move commercially at the moment is getting close to 1070 performance but with enough efficiency they can keep costs way down.
 
Steampunk said:
So P10 is shaping up to be just 390 performance (or a little more) at a cheaper price, and using less power, probably taking the 480 slot.
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That's about what I expect. Though I think it may be able to top 390X level by a small margin, rather than just a 390.

If they can do that for £200, it'll be a very good card that Nvidia will have a hard time matching with GP106.
 
That gives me some hope that Vega will come in as the 490, without too much of a jump in price from Polaris 10, with Fury still sitting at the crazy, vanity card price far above that.
 
Steampunk said:
That gives me some hope that Vega will come in as the 490, without too much of a jump in price from Polaris 10, with Fury still sitting at the crazy, vanity card price far above that.
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My hope is that Vega isn't just one card. Like Polaris, we get a Vega 11 and a Vega 10(or whatever naming scheme they want to use). One being a ~350mm^ card and another being a 550-600mm^ card.
 
Seanspeed said:
My hope is that Vega isn't just one card. Like Polaris, we get a Vega 11 and a Vega 10(or whatever naming scheme they want to use). One being a ~350mm^ card and another being a 550-600mm^ card.
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It will probably be the 490, 490x and maybe a larger higher end gpu
 
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