AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Mauller · 9 May 2016 at 18:21

Well, according to this score, the Polaris 10 is capable of beating a titan x. And that is the 36CU version, not even the full 40CU.

AlamoX · 9 May 2016 at 18:48

we really have a problem puting things into perspective, desktop isn't that big of a deal, thats not where the money is, so i doubt AMD is banking on desktop VR sales.
ofc they want in OEM bundles, or the mobile bundles, because personally i think laptop backpack VR bundles will be trending very hard in the future, especialy with the die shrink and power savings.
but i think the aim of AMD is Liquid VR, they want PSVR/PCVR to be as painless to them driver side as possible, they want better hardware utilisation on consoles to carry on to PC.

Seanspeed · 9 May 2016 at 18:54

Mauller said:
Well, according to this score, the Polaris 10 is capable of beating a titan x. And that is the 36CU version, not even the full 40CU.

Cherry picking benchmark scores is really lousy.

I want to see a full range of benches from a variety of different games, DX11 and DX12, at varying realistic options. And with frametimes, ideally.

This obsession over Ashes of Singularity, a game that nobody gives a damn about apart from its benchmarking, has become quite hilarious.

Mauller · 9 May 2016 at 19:12

Seanspeed said:
Cherry picking benchmark scores is really lousy.

I want to see a full range of benches from a variety of different games, DX11 and DX12, at varying realistic options. And with frametimes, ideally.

This obsession over Ashes of Singularity, a game that nobody gives a damn about apart from its benchmarking, has become quite hilarious.

Cherry picking? that is the latest benchmark that we have for that part. You are just nit picking.

Mtom · 9 May 2016 at 19:13

humbug said:
if he's talking about making VR affordable at 970/390 performance i doubt its at the same price as 970/390's.

Thats why i said between 250-300( maybe closer to $250).
The 380 started at at $250 then cut to $179. The 390 started at $329, then was cut to $279.

Simply put: I think it will start somewhere around the price of the 380 (starting price)

fs123 · 9 May 2016 at 19:55

Seanspeed said:
Cherry picking benchmark scores is really lousy.

I want to see a full range of benches from a variety of different games, DX11 and DX12, at varying realistic options. And with frametimes, ideally.

This obsession over Ashes of Singularity, a game that nobody gives a damn about apart from its benchmarking, has become quite hilarious.

Ridiculous statement. It's the only benchmark available for a supposedly Polaris gpu. If you can find any other title, Gameworks if you prefer, that has any Polaris results then please feel free to contribute. Anyway that result says Polaris is only as fast as a 7970 or 280X. Not really outstanding is it?

Mauller · 9 May 2016 at 20:20

fs123 said:
Ridiculous statement. It's the only benchmark available for a supposedly Polaris gpu. If you can find any other title, Gameworks if you prefer, that has any Polaris results then please feel free to contribute. Anyway that result says Polaris is only as fast as a 7970 or 280X. Not really outstanding is it?

What made you come to that conclusion? that is at 5k Crazy settings against Dual Titan x's. How does that result make it as fast as a 7970 or 280x?

That result makes it faster than a single titan X. And that is the 36CU part, not even the full polaris 10.

LoadsaMoney · 9 May 2016 at 20:29

Ayahuasca said:
LoadsaMoney is on permanent sarcastic mode these days with AMD.

I just don't get it, tis all.

If no one is willing to pay £700 for a headset now, then they won't buy a Polaris for them now, they'll wait until the prices do come down, and then buy a card, by which time, Polaris will be old hat, as the headset prices are not going to drop overnight, or the day Polaris is released.

Ian Evey · 9 May 2016 at 20:29

Unless AMD actually show something soon there won't be many people to sell Polaris to, even some hints would stop the hype pascal is getting.

Mtom · 9 May 2016 at 20:41

Ian Evey said:
Unless AMD actually show something soon there won't be many people to sell Polaris to, even some hints would stop the hype pascal is getting.

The people Polaris aimed for don't run and buy a twice as expensive card. Especially because AMD will launch Polaris at end of May as it seems, before Pascal will be available.
Plus the recent Pascal and Polaris cards won't really compete as they arrive in different tiers.

You may already knew these if you read news, and not just dropping a random post with wise words like this.

LoadsaMoney · 9 May 2016 at 20:56

Mtom said:
The people Polaris aimed for don't run and buy a twice as expensive card. Especially because AMD will launch Polaris at end of May as it seems, before Pascal will be available.
Plus the recent Pascal and Polaris cards won't really compete as they arrive in different tiers.

You may already knew these if you read news, and not just dropping a random post with wise words like this.

I thought Jen said 27th May Pascal was out to buy.

TheRealDeal · 9 May 2016 at 21:01

LoadsaMoney said:
I thought Jen said 27th May Pascal was out to buy.

He is probably confused by the conference AMD are holding anywhere between the 26th and 31st of may. I think AMD should go with the 26th to get the information out a day before Nvidia cards go on sale.

LoadsaMoney · 9 May 2016 at 21:02

The reviews are supposedly out next Tuesday as well.

Seanspeed · 9 May 2016 at 21:11

Mauller said:
Cherry picking? that is the latest benchmark that we have for that part. You are just nit picking.

There was a bunch of benchmarks posted, actually.

Not all of them flattering, either.

I think we should really rest the whole Ashes of the Singularity benches anyways. Nobody plays the damn game and it's clearly a very AMD-leaning title, DX12 or not.

As always, we need to see a variety of benchmarks in a variety of games with a variety of settings.

AlamoX · 9 May 2016 at 21:12

LoadsaMoney said:
I thought Jen said 27th May Pascal was out to buy.

1080 on the 27th, which has no competition anyway, the 1070 on the other hand coming june 10, might be competing against polaris 10XT at some extent if performance stays within 10-20% range and much cheaper.
i wonder if polaris will come with some cool features, like the multi-projection nvidia did for surround, and nothing as lame as hansel.
my whishes for polaris, cool new features, better efficiency than nvidia, higher overclocking than nvidia, much more cheaper than nvidia, then even if performance is just about 390Pro at best i would consider that a Win for them.

fs123 · 9 May 2016 at 21:30

Mauller said:
What made you come to that conclusion? that is at 5k Crazy settings against Dual Titan x's. How does that result make it as fast as a 7970 or 280x?

That result makes it faster than a single titan X. And that is the 36CU part, not even the full polaris 10.

My bad. I thought that bench was vs a single TitanX. Not sure how good SLI scaling is on AoTS though. If indeed it is faster than the TX then AMD could have a real winner on their hands.

TheRealDeal · 9 May 2016 at 21:32

fs123 said:
My bad. I thought that bench was vs a single TitanX. Not sure how good SLI scaling is on AoTS though. If indeed it is faster than the TX then AMD could have a real winner on their hands.

Scaling is around 80% in sli.

Ian Evey · 9 May 2016 at 21:35

Mtom said:
The people Polaris aimed for don't run and buy a twice as expensive card. Especially because AMD will launch Polaris at end of May as it seems, before Pascal will be available.
Plus the recent Pascal and Polaris cards won't really compete as they arrive in different tiers.

You may already knew these if you read news, and not just dropping a random post with wise words like this.

There is no news to read except nvidia will be releasing cards on the 27th and benchmarks are due on the 17th. but no news at all on polaris except it ran hitman at some res at some detail level and is near fury x performance.

Amd need to not mess this up or i feel the price of nvidia will only get higher as some people predicted many moons ago.

Insanties_birth · 9 May 2016 at 21:53

LoadsaMoney said:
If you can afford to drop £700 down on a headset, you can afford to drop more than £200 down on a card to go with it, its just like i said above, you wouldn't spend thousands on a top end rig, but no more than £25 on a PSU to power it all.

Don't be stupid, it's about the cost of the entire system. Not all games are VR so for those I'll be relying on my monitor (which you need for standard use anyway of course) so if I can get an AMD chip for quite a bit cheaper and they offer freesynch monitor that saves me another hundred or two hundred then yeah, that pretty much pays for the VR just by the monitor and the gpu or the other way to look at it is that you can afford to spend more on the gpu thanks to the lower cost of the headset.

Sure some can afford to spend, spend, spend but others will be happy at the double savings that still offer a near identical experience for far less cost. Sure they can pay the Nvidia premium if they want but when it's all factored in and you realise there's a near identical experience to be had elsewhere for far cheaper then I know which I'd pick. My brother is planning on upgrading his system and he might not buy VR the instant it comes out (as people know it's expensive) but knowing he can buy a card that will work for VR and the overall cost of the system / VR will be several hundred less (including monitor) then it'll get him onto VR sooner and be a far more realstic option.

Mtom · 9 May 2016 at 23:01

Ian Evey said:
There is no news to read except nvidia will be releasing cards on the 27th and benchmarks are due on the 17th. but no news at all on polaris except it ran hitman at some res at some detail level and is near fury x performance.

Amd need to not mess this up or i feel the price of nvidia will only get higher as some people predicted many moons ago.

AMD will hold an event at end of may before computex is no news.
Polaris will be mainstream, cheap, and 2/3 size of GP104 so they will be in different tiers and won't really compete are no news either.