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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

GFX-Kid said:
It is an option, just feel like I will have waited for nothing as amd have not convinced me that they have anything worth waiting up their sleeve on this occasion. The most I see myself waiting is mid June.

This is why I say, bloody leak something so I may consider waiting but alas all I hear is they are releasing a 390X performance class gpu. That does not excite me, we have had that performance available for like 3-4 years... :(

I am hopeful they do a good job with Vega though, would rather grab one of those than an over priced TX next year.
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In the end its up to you,whether you feel you waited too long or not,I just tend to prefer see all the cards on the table first.

AMD could do with leaking some information though - even a picture of an actual card.

Phixsator said:
I share the same concern as you, we both seems to like their hardware but when you dont know what is coming up and the only thing you have are vague rumours from dodgy sites its suddenly very hard to justify waiting that long.

Now that nvidia has shown their hand AMD might as well drop some information, including pricing, and benchmarks as well and even if Polaris 10 is slower it would still be much better i feel. They dont have to include model names if they want nvidia to stay a bit confused but something like "here is 'unknown' card running this game at this setting and it gets this much FPS and MSRP is XXX dollars.
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I don't know whether AMD is scared that Nvidia might drop the MRSP for the GTX1070 or do a price reduction of the GTX970 and GTX980 to kind of screw things over for them.

It was kind of the same with the HD4870.
 
Mtom said:
As far as i know they will hard launch at E3, where they rented a whole building.. Maybe some AIB cards will be showcased at Computex, but is was mainky about APUs.
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AMD are putting on another PCGame Show at E3....

http://gamerant.com/pc-gaming-show-e3-2016/

GFX-Kid said:
It is an option, just feel like I will have waited for nothing as amd have not convinced me that they have anything worth waiting up their sleeve on this occasion. The most I see myself waiting is mid June.

This is why I say, bloody leak something so I may consider waiting but alas all I hear is they are releasing a 390X performance class gpu. That does not excite me, we have had that performance available for like 3-4 years... :(

I am hopeful they do a good job with Vega though, would rather grab one of those than an over priced TX next year.
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That 390X performance card is a Laptop card, the desktop version of it should be pretty good.
 
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humbug said:
AMD are putting on another PCGame Show on at E3....

http://gamerant.com/pc-gaming-show-e3-2016/



That 390X performance card is a Laptop card, the desktop version of it should be pretty good.
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Considering the full 1280 shader P11XT is 380-380x performance at 1ghz, then P10 if it has 2300-2816 shaders should easily surpass the 390x at 1ghz. And then some when clocked up, more than likely reaching furyx - overclocked 980ti performance.

Vega 10 will probably be a monster of a card if it is GCN4 and Fiji done right.
 
Mauller said:
Considering the full 1280 shader P11XT is 380-380x performance at 1ghz, then P10 if it has 2300-2816 shaders should easily surpass the 390x at 1ghz. And then some when clocked up, more than likely reaching furyx - overclocked 980ti performance.

Vega 10 will probably be a monster of a card if it is GCN4 and Fiji done right.
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If the P10 does manage to match the 390X at 1GHz then the rumoured 1.4-1.5GHz final clock will mean it should be at least TitanX level if not higher.
 
fs123 said:
If the P10 does manage to match the 390X at 1GHz then the rumoured 1.4-1.5GHz final clock will mean it should be at least TitanX level if not higher.
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I don't see why people think it won't beat a 390x at 1ghz. If we go by the ~232mm^2 rumour for its size then it would be bigger than Hawaii if it was on 28nm. But that is taking into account the node shrink being very close to the 50% area shrink that they say it is.

It could even be that this part does not have full 1/2 DP in hardware like Hawaii if we consider the die shrink to be less than 50% and the target market not needing it. But i believe they will keep 1/2 DP in hardware since this part will also replace Firepro parts.
 
Mauller said:
I don't see why people think it won't beat a 390x at 1ghz. If we go by the ~232mm^2 rumour for its size then it would be bigger than Hawaii if it was on 28nm. But that is taking into account the node shrink being very close to the 50% area shrink that they say it is.

It could even be that this part does not have full 1/2 DP in hardware like Hawaii if we consider the die shrink to be less than 50% and the target market not needing it. But i believe they will keep 1/2 DP in hardware since this part will also replace Firepro parts.
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I don't think this will replace the high end parts - there are lower end parts from desktops they will replace but I expect Vega is what is the true Hawaii replacement for the higher end FirePro cards.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I don't think this will replace the high end parts - there are lower end parts from desktops they will replace but I expect Vega is what is the true Hawaii replacement for the higher end FirePro cards.
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When i mean replace i mean in terms of performance, Yeah they will be branded in the mid range firepro segment and Vega will more than likely fille the high end segment for the firepro parts. But they will still replace the Hawaii Firepro parts in terms of performance.

If anything the P10 fire-pro parts dependent on clocks should have near double the performance of the current W9100. But then as i mentioned it also depends on if the small increase in Die size at the smaller node is just the changes and additions brought about by GCN4 while keeping 1/2 DP intact. etc.

But meaning replacing firepro parts as in this die will end up in the newer firepro parts etc.
 
Mauller said:
When i mean replace i mean in terms of performance, Yeah they will be branded in the mid range firepro segment and Vega will more than likely fille the high end segment for the firepro parts. But they will still replace the Hawaii Firepro parts in terms of performance.

If anything the P10 fire-pro parts dependent on clocks should have near double the performance of the current W9100. But then as i mentioned it also depends on if the small increase in Die size at the smaller node is just the changes and additions brought about by GCN4 while keeping 1/2 DP intact. etc.
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I think they won't keep 1/2 DP for the Polaris parts - I expect the die size increase will be down to improvements in things like tessellation,the new decode block,etc.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I think they won't keep 1/2 DP for the Polaris parts - I expect the die size increase will be down to improvements in things like tessellation,the new decode block,etc.
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Will just have to wait and see, they may surprise everyone like they have been saying since Polaris was announced.

I don't think it will clock anywhere as high as the 1080, but it will certainly get a higher max clock than what people expect. considering the drivers mentioned 1350mhz as a base clock, it makes me wonder if they have implemented a higher boost clock. Just depends on how dense they have made the part.

It will be interesting to see if P10 has a similar number of transistors to GP104, considering Hawaii already has 6.2 billion to the GP104's 7.2. It will show just how dense AMD has made the part. People talk about GP104 being a far larger part and how P10 can't beat it, when in reality it could just be that Nvidia are playing it safe and making it a very sparse chip. While AMD is doing what they always do and making a very dense chip. Hence why GP104 clocks so well.
 
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One thing worth noting, up till now AMD have only really ever listed its boost clock as the only clock speed for its cards, they don't list a starting clock and a boost clock so to speak, so if 1350MHz is accurate that is probably the only clock speed they will list for the parts.
 
bru said:
One thing worth noting, up till now AMD have only really ever listed its boost clock as the only clock speed for its cards, they don't list a starting clock and a boost clock so to speak, so if 1350MHz is accurate that is probably the only clock speed they will list for the parts.
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I am sure Hawaii and fiji were always listed as 850-1ghz with 1050 boost or something silly like that.
 
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