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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Ok taking this

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And then this

beany_bot said:
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It gives us a possible over view of things.

R9 480 4GB From $329 (it should be classed as VR capable)
R9 480x 4GB from $329+ a bit
R9 480x 8GB from $329+ a bit and a bit more for the extra memory.

R9 490 8GB under $650
R9 490x 8GB from $650

The 490's would seem to be around the right ball park price wise, whereas I would say that the 480's seem to be starting a bit high.

Of course these two leaks might not be accurate at all, but seeing as one of them is from an official AMD presentation it doesn't bode too well for that one at a least.
 
AllBodies said:
In this thread:

People who just saw a very fast 180W card launch on 16nm.

Yet think an 150W card on 14nm will be wayyyy slower :D

(also the GTX 1070 is 150W too)
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Both 16nm and 14nm are based on a very similar 20nm planar process. The 16n, process supposedly has slightly better ower-thermals.
 
D.P. said:
Both 16nm and 14nm are based on a very similar 20nm planar process. The 16n, process supposedly has slightly better ower-thermals.
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On the other hand, 14LPP is meant to have higher performance per watt and density (i.e. performance per mm2).

Short version of it all is, we should be fairly certain both Pascal and Polaris should stack up very similarly at similar power draw.
 
D.P. said:
$329 is around £275 quid with VAT but excluding ripoff UK markup, that could be around £300:confused:

I hope that first [does not] refer to P11, but even thr lower P10 model would be expensive. 1070 MSRP is only $50 more than the cheapest Polaris if that slide is to be believed:confused:

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Lisa Su did say that AMD were no longer the budget brand and if that price is correct and assuming is is the 480 at 275 minus gouging then not good at all .
 
AMD really need to produce something soon to get people talking, they last managed that with the 5870. They've had good cards since then like the 7970 but it didn't have as much of a buzz about it on enthusiast forums.
 
Did people really expect them to be way cheaper than Nvidia? No chance. I've said this before but Nvidia have shafted everyone with their new prices. AMD only have to come in marginally under Nvidia to compete. They aren't going to come in way under. Nvidia has set the new bar for prices and sadly there is no stopping that now. Unless of. Course no-one buys the new cards.
 
I would have thought the prices on that slide refer to the current R9 390 through Fury X product stack.
 
beany_bot said:
Did people really expect them to be way cheaper than Nvidia? No chance. I've said this before but Nvidia have shafted everyone with their new prices. AMD only have to come in marginally under Nvidia to compete. They aren't going to come in way under. Nvidia has set the new bar for prices and sadly there is no stopping that now. Unless of. Course no-one buys the new cards.
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AMD set their own prices. Nvidia set their own prices. Nobody is getting shafted.
 
Lokken86 said:
£300 for the 480x with Fury pro performance would be more than fair. £350 is pushing it.
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£300 for fury Pro performance would be putting against a slightly faster slightly more expensive 1070. That's OK but hardly the bargain we were hoping for.

But I think Zeiss might be right and the slide is the usual AMD PR disaster. Current VR capable GPUs start at $329 and independently In mid summer Polaris will be launched. But both bits of information are exclusive.
 
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Those prices are the CURRENT CARD prices. One of those boxes refers to Polaris, the rest is current stuff.

Their VR ready certified products are 290 through Fury X

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/vr/vr-ready

here they have $329 as the price of a 390 which is their lowest priced current VR ready designed card.

But oh no, without launching Polaris they are stating the future prices of cards.... people really have absolutely no ability to use common sense any more.

It's both not surprising the three that are pushing these are expected prices and incorrectly reading a slide and the entire point AMD has been making for 6 months is that they want to bring VR ready cards to a completely new lower price point. They want Fury X level performance dropped to the $350 range, they want 390 level performance dropped to the $200 range and they want to bring in Vega with 70-80% more performance than Fury X at likely the £500 ish price point. Hopefully Vega will come in two flavours, likely a 370-410mm^2 part and a big Vega at around 500-530mm^2. With a new lower price point(for the smaller card) from both being smaller and having larger volume of HBM2 in production, larger volume of interposer production, larger packaging production lines as more products(both AMD and non AMD) begin to use HBM1/2, the prices of interposer/hbm chips will come down quite significantly compared to Fury X.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see no 10nm cards again though like 20nm, and longer than people think on 14nm. So we might see a single Vega this gen at say 400mm^2 then the next gen cores out again on 14nm but going bigger at every price point as yields and experience on 14nm improve.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Those prices are the CURRENT CARD prices. One of those boxes refers to Polaris, the rest is current stuff.

Their VR ready certified products are 290 through Fury X

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/vr/vr-ready

here they have $329 as the price of a 390 which is their lowest priced current VR ready designed card.

But oh no, without launching Polaris they are stating the future prices of cards.... people really have absolutely no ability to use common sense any more.
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Despite me saying that i hope that is the price for the whole range? People really have no ability to read people's posts anymore. Its only speculation ,and looking at the slide on its own doesnt tell you much about what they mean. Seems odd to list prices for only current stuff when your new vr ready cards are coming out a few weeks later. Seems a bit of a moot point if your new vr ready cards will be significantly cheaper doesn't it?
 
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Jono8 said:
Despite me saying that i hope that is the price for the whole range? People really have no ability to read people's posts anymore. Its only speculation ,and looking at the slide on its own doesnt tell you much about what they mean. Seems odd to list prices for only current stuff when your new vr ready cards are coming out a few weeks later. Seems a bit of a moot point if your new vr ready cards will be significantly cheaper doesn't it?
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Yeah it's still not talking about the whole range which you specified as Vega and Polaris. Also no it's not odd, no one ever talks about prices of new products before they are out, the only possible thing it can do is completely stop sales of existing cards. We didn't get actual retail prices of Nvidia 1080 cards till after the announcement/launch, a week later the reviews then a few days after that.

No, it would be extremely odd for them to talk about Polaris pricing before launching the cards, it would be insane to talk about Vega pricing months before launch.
 
Alright, keep your hair on. I said as much just before you. It's just a confusing slide that mixes future Polaris products with current prices. To make it even more confusing they have added the chili pepper symbol from their odd capsaicin event which was largely about Polaris and the future of VR to the pricing information. At capsaicin AMD explained how they wanted a lower entry point for VR capable Graphics cards and demoed a Polaris 10 on Hitman, so how does that apply to prices of the current generation.

They just should never have put those 2 independent bits of information on the same slide right next to each other. "Here's how much a VR capable card costs you now, but hang on, very soon these prices will be completely irrelevant". Really bad marketing.
 
I think Polaris could be cheaper than the GP104 cards.
The size alone indicates that they can produce a good 30% more chips from a wafer. Thus they will have better yields/ wafer.
 
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