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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0
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The guy is making stuff up - a member pointed out Polaris 10 is 232mm2 and how could that match a GP104 and then he said some engineers told him since it was GF 14NM it was more like a 300MM2 TSMC 16NM GPU. People pointed out to him how it is only 8% difference.
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I can imagine there would be no point in inviting Kyle to your marketing event when he's only going to give you bad marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to test Polaris against 1080 and claim Nvidia the winner. He'll disregard the price and target differences and just claim they should be tested against each other because they are both the only 14nm offerings out from both companies so therefore must be competing products.
The man has a massive ego, and always has. He also has a disproportionally large opinion of his importance. Like every other tech site, [H] is just an extension of a company's marketing department when it suits them, because that's how the industry works. Sites are beholden for review product, launch events and advertising, so can never be truly independent or completely trustworthy. When excluded, Kyle is all about the sour grapes and has been like this for years.
The man has a massive ego, and always has. He also has a disproportionally large opinion of his importance. Like every other tech site, [H] is just an extension of a company's marketing department when it suits them, because that's how the industry works. Sites are beholden for review product, launch events and advertising, so can never be truly independent or completely trustworthy. When excluded, Kyle is all about the sour grapes and has been like this for years.
And how long has it taken to get to 125 million i been with steam over 10 years, how many pc's sold since steam started.
More important would be how many pc's world wide to the 125 million steam uses to get a better picture.
It can depend on how dense they are going, since even on 28NM Nvidia never went as dense as the node can handle, even the GP104 is nowhere near as dense as it could be.
But i don't think the difference would be as large as 27%. But it also depends on how dense AMD can take 14nm this early on and what the performance characteristics are like.
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He was comparing densities directly.
At this point,meh. I think he just didn't realise it is nowhere like that and Polaris is a much smaller GPU overall and I suspect it has less transistors too.
I might be wrong but I think it was Gibbo himself that that told us the 970 had outsold every other GPU OCUK had sold over a certain period.
This is where the best selling GPU of all time thing comes from, I might be wrong of course, but I think that is how it came about.
This is where the best selling GPU of all time thing comes from, I might be wrong of course, but I think that is how it came about.
I'm not convinced of the actual volume of Dell pc's with things like a 950 in, I suspect most would be fine with Intel iris graphics and amd APU's or low end soldered graphics.
Pretty much, in terms of office computers which sell if higher quantity than home computers, APU's give you all the performance you need.
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Cards like the 8400GS were rebranded for generations.
Anyway,back to Polaris GPU discussion.
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A single quarter in the past decade dipped below 10mil sales in a quarter, the same chart showing that shows more like 12-15mil for most quarters in the past year or two, 15-20 per quarter for a few years before that, 20-25mil for the years before that, etc. A conservative number for sales per year over the past decade of discrete gpus is 75mil. Looking at Steams most recent data, a decent portion of those gaming are gaming on Intel/AMD igpus. The 3rd, 6th, 8th, 10th and 11th, 17th, 26th, 31st, 35th, 36th and 37th(iirc) are all igpus. So that 125mil comes not just from discrete but from igpus as well. Discrete gpu sales is 75mil maybe, overall sales of gpu + igpu which is what steams numbers come from is something in the region or 300-400mil a year.
16% of all users have DX10 only hardware, it states 15% use DX11 hardware and 67% use DX12 hardware. This is dodgy as hell because DX12 list includes all the Fermi cards... which still have no DX12 drivers and Fermi cards don't appear to have any mention of DX12 on Nvidia's site. So in talking about modern vs older gpu usage, you can move a few percent from DX12 to DX11. Steam survey itself is fairly inaccurate, it seems to not list anything 380/390 at all, if AMD has 22% of market share at the moment, then if a 970 has 5% you'd expect a 390 to make up say 1% of cards, but there isn't a single mention I can see of a 3 series card, and they lump R200 series all in together, so AMD sold almost the same number 260/270/280/290 together than just the HD7900 series which is just two cards only and despite AMD sales improving while only selling 3xx and Fury cards, neither make it into the list? I call.... bull.
Then the 125mil users is years worth of graphics card users including igpu and sales of both discrete/igpu over the past 6-7years of cards and igpus it includes is likely pushing 3 billion. No, steam users are a small subset of all gpu sales and steam hardware survey has the accuracy of a dead turkey to begin with. The 125mil users will be different accounts most likely logged in within say a specific year or month. Many people have more than one account, many people don't log in enough to be asked to take the survey and many people don't take the survery.
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Steam isnt anything to go by.. is that 125 million 'unique' users? or is it including my 2 Steam accounts i use cuz i want 2 different characters in DayZ SA?
I also opt out of the hardware option as the less scanning of my PC the better, Steam scans my hard drives as it is when checking if i use cheats etc. Im sure many users disable this too, especially after the NSA spying, snooping scandal. I even disable it in Origin.
The Steam hardware survey means nothing in my opinion.
I also opt out of the hardware option as the less scanning of my PC the better, Steam scans my hard drives as it is when checking if i use cheats etc. Im sure many users disable this too, especially after the NSA spying, snooping scandal. I even disable it in Origin.
The Steam hardware survey means nothing in my opinion.
The 300 series are I moulded in the 200 series stats because they are just rebrands with same specifications.
You can complain to the cows come home how steam survey is not accurate but I've yet to hear a single compelling reason why there is a massive statistical difference in the probability of using steam is you own a 970 vs 960.
You can complain to the cows come home how steam survey is not accurate but I've yet to hear a single compelling reason why there is a massive statistical difference in the probability of using steam is you own a 970 vs 960.
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Well firstly I said 970 and 950, and second I gave the reason previously, it's simple and obvious. Dell and co sell more computers with lower end graphics cards, some of them get used for gaming, some don't. 970 has a higher rate of being bought from places like ocuk as an upgrade and most people upgrading to such a card are gamers looking for performance.
The lower down the gpu range you go the more likely that gpu is to end up in a computer full stop and the more likely it is to end up in a computer but not be used for gaming.
Also if the 300 series numbers were folded into the 300 series, then the number should be higher. Again 22% or something of discrete gpus sold were AMD, over 1 in 5, yet 970 is 5% and the 200 AND 300 series together is 1.5%, bull. On top of that you're wrong anyway because the 8800 mobile rebranded cards are in there separate from the 7 series versions of the same card. There are also dozens of other rebranded cards listed from AMD and Nvidia.
The numbers are BS and anyone that can't see that is intentionally choosing not to see it.
well how many times have you run the hardware survey? since every single time it has always asked me if i want to run the survey then submit the results.
The hardware survey is not something automatic as far as i am aware.
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I only just got asked the other week to run the hardware survey. The last time was long enough back that i can't remember.
There used to be an option pop up on initial install of Steam saying something like' Automatically join the Steam hardware survey'. I guess it isnt under settings as i cant find it.