AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Toss3 · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:33

andybird123 said:
the AOTS bench reports "GPU Bound" as 51%, it does not report utilisation
Robert is using the word "utilisation" as a deliberate attempt to mislead

you're the one who needs to read up about the AOTS bench

How do you know he is reporting the numbers from the benchmark and not some other tool used to measure the GPU utilization? And even if they are reporting that it wasn't gpu bound 51% of the time, you don't know how CPU bound it was, so GPU utilization could easily have been much lower. All I know is that I'm betting on 43-47fps for 1080p Crazy preset with 8xMSAA and you can bet on 34 fps all you want (which is just dumb considering we have the result from 1440p for a single GPU running the benchmark on crazy at 1440p with 4xSMAA, and that result was 40fps, which is basically on the exact same level as the GTX 1070 source).

Now I'm not expecting the RX 480 to perform as well as the GTX 1070 in DX11 games, as AotS is a DX12-based game in which AMD has a clear upper hand, but if these results are anything to go by, the RX 480 won't be too far behind the GTX 1070 in DX12-based games. If it overclocks well, then it might even surpass the GTX 1070, which is pretty awesome considering the low price.

Gregster · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:34

Chill out Cat. Just GPUs fella

Ferrari100 · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:36

D.P. said:
Even under equal yields the new process is much more expensive. Yield differences comping that.

The sources us what I have heard from other forums with people that work within the industry.

I would like to see your info as well if possible. I don't want to be giving my pupils wrong info - not that die shrinks are part of the curriculum but I like to talk about these things.

I found this from the wiki and although Wiki is not always accurate, this has always been my interpretation for many years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_shrink

'Die shrinks are beneficial to end-users as shrinking a die reduces the current used by each transistor switching on or off in semiconductor devices while maintaining the same clock frequency of a chip, making a product with less power consumption (and thus less heat production), increased clock rate headroom, and lower prices. Since the cost to fabricate a 200-mm or 300-mm silicon wafer is proportional to the number of fabrication steps, and not proportional to the number of chips on the wafer, die shrinks cram more chips onto each wafer, resulting in lowered manufacturing costs per chip.'

Considering Sony and Apple will be having a large amount of these Polaris GPU's, it could well be that over 40-50 million (estimate) 480 GPU's will be produced over time

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:45

james.miller said:
i've not mentioned the 1070 once in this thread, so you're wrong about that, too. I mean i could be offended by that and tear you a new one, but honestly you're looking pathetic enough as it is - you don't need my help.

Your the one who is pathetic - you jump in supporting your mates in a pathetic level,to make sure you can support their statements,and yet you seem very scared to jump in and correct them when they say the RX480 will be a failure if it is not faster than a R9 390X or is not 60% to 70% faster at under £200.

Yet,when it is shown the GTX1070,has increased in priced for its performance jump,you just try and threaten and "I will tear you a new one since i am offended that somebody does not say the GTX1070 is best value".

The fact that you are "offended" proves my point.

You want a GTX1070,so the moment anybody states the RX480 is decent value,you are offended. That means you will never buy one and the whole point of you entering this thread and threatening "to tear people a new one" and are "pathetic" means you only want to thread thrash this one.

It is always the same people like you in AMD threads,I never seen you contribute any leaks to the Pascal or Polaris ones,and the only time you post is to make sure,you support hyper negative statements in a Polaris thread.

Go and buy a GTX1070,nobody is stopping you.

h4rm0ny said:
Well said, all of it.

Be careful,GTX1070 owners/pumpers will get offended in an AMD Polaris thread and threaten to "tear you a new one"!

Gregster · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:48

I look forward to your results with the 480 Cat.

Mauller · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:48

I still think we have not seen what the rx480 can do, I think they are just showing base specs atm but have more up their sleeve. Get people interested with price and base perf then seal the deal when NDA lifts. Since there are still quite a few things left unsaid about it.

Plus it leaves things hidden from Nvidia till they release it.

Geck0 · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:48

D.P. said:
What die shrunk savings, the 14/16nm process is far more expensive than the mature 28nm prodess. The GP104 gpu almost certainly costs more than the GM204 980ti GPU despite being smaller.

Apart from tooling up the fab, no it isn't. My point isn't in the fab, it isn't in the development and it isn't in the performance.

It's in the MARKET. In Australia the 1080 represents an investment of 1 to 2 weeks wages.

Think about that VS the RX480

Then think about how many people, outside this forum, will commit 2 weeks of their labour to own that card. Then think how many can justify it with a mortgage & kids.

Big difference mate. I make twice the average on average but I'm not spending $1200 on a video card. The market here for nVidia is small compared to the RX480.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:50

Gregster said:
I look forward to your results with the 480 Cat.

Not buying one - and don't you for once try a sly one like that!

I will wait for the GTX1060 before I consider a RX480 and I have stated that several times before.

I never jump onboard until I see what the competition has,because I think that is silly. Nvidia might decide to fight a price war.

My GTX960 will plug on until then.

But what I don't like is people saying the GTX1070 is 1000x better than a GTX970 so an RX480 has 10000000 better than a R9 390/R9 390X.

Rilot · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:51

Seriously guys. Will you grow up? It's like listening to a bunch of 12-year-olds in the playground arguing about whether Superman could beat up Batman.

Keep it civil and quit with the point scoring. If someone holds a different opinion to you, that is their prerogative. It doesn't mean that they are wrong and it certainly doesn't mean that they are stupid.

Gregster · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:52

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Not buying one - and don't you for once try a sly one like that!

I will wait for the GTX1060 before I consider a RX480 and I have stated that several times before.

I never jump onboard until I see what the competition has.

My GTX960 will plug on until then.

Ohhh, the way you flew there, I assumed you was buying one.

Relentless81 · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:53

Sigh, any news on a 480X or 490 yet?

TheRealDeal · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:53

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Not buying one - and don't you for once try a sly one like that!

I will wait for the GTX1060 before I consider a RX480 and I have stated that several times before.

I never jump onboard until I see what the competition has.

My GTX960 will plug on until then.

Hasn't the competition crapped on you enough with the gtx660 and gtx960. Even if the 1060 matches the Rx480 would you risk buying another card where performance falls off the edge rather quick.

Gregster · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:53

Rilot said:
Seriously guys. Will you grow up? It's like listening to a bunch of 12-year-olds in the playground arguing about whether Superman could beat up Batman.

Keep it civil and quit with the point scoring. If someone holds a different opinion to you, that is their prerogative. It doesn't mean that they are wrong and it certainly doesn't mean that they are stupid.

Superman would have no chance for the record

But spot on. These are bought for fun and not a life or death thing.

Ferrari100 · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:55

Geck0 said:
Apart from tooling up the fab, no it isn't. My point isn't in the fab, it isn't in the development and it isn't in the performance.

It's in the MARKET. In Australia the 1080 represents an investment of 1 to 2 weeks wages.

Think about that VS the RX480

Then think about how many people, outside this forum, will commit 2 weeks of their labour to own that card. Then think how many can justify it with a mortgage & kids.

Big difference mate. I make twice the average on average but I'm not spending $1200 on a video card. The market here for nVidia is small compared to the RX480.

I would very much say that is a problem with Australia's currency right now more than anything else, on top of that Australia does seem to have more expensive prices generally.

I was there for a year in 2009 and when I just looked at GBP/AUD conversion I was shocked as it was nothing like that back then.

I think for countries like Australia the $200 price point for AMD's 480 will be a god send to at least offer reasonable performance for people who do not have great amounts of cash to spend.

tommybhoy · 3 Jun 2016 at 12:58

Snifter of pro AMD news and it descends to chaos in here.

Well done Rilot.

Toss3 · 3 Jun 2016 at 13:01

Rilot said:
Seriously guys. Will you grow up? It's like listening to a bunch of 12-year-olds in the playground arguing about whether Superman could beat up Batman.

Keep it civil and quit with the point scoring. If someone holds a different opinion to you, that is their prerogative. It doesn't mean that they are wrong and it certainly doesn't mean that they are stupid.

Just shows that people are passionate about GPUs and hopeful that AMD are going to bring it to nvidia with the RX 480!

Geck0 · 3 Jun 2016 at 13:02

Ferrari100 said:
I would very much say that is a problem with Australia's currency right now more than anything else, on top of that Australia does seem to have more expensive prices generally.

I was there for a year in 2009 and when I just looked at GBP/AUD conversion I was shocked as it was nothing like that back then.

I think for countries like Australia the $200 price point for AMD's 480 will be a god send to at least offer reasonable performance for people who do not have great amounts of cash to spend.

1st world problems, so tiring yes?

Ferrari100 · 3 Jun 2016 at 13:06

Geck0 said:
1st world problems, so tiring yes?

I wouldnt say that, but I was genuinely shocked at the exchange rate. I guess it can be a 1st world problem if you want it to be.

I loved Australia when I was there. I see you are near my favourite place. The Sunshine coast. I am jealous!

TheRealDeal · 3 Jun 2016 at 13:08

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The HD7870 was better than the GTX660 and the R9 380 is better than the GTX960,but for some weird reason,when I always go card shopping now,I seem to find stupidly cheap deals for the Nvidia cards.

My GTX660 was the same price as the worst HD7850 cards for example. My GTX960 was massively cheaper than a R9 380 4GB(like £50 to £60). At this point I am a tad dissapointed that the GTX960 is not holding up as well but I can't complain I got great value for money with Nvidia and that is what I care for most.

Sometimes it's all about timing as well. I managed to bag my 290 for £170 after selling off the games. It should have some decent legs for awhile as i don't game much so won't waste money on high end stuff. At the price to performance that the Rx480 and possibly the 1060 come in at it's a boost that was needed in the sub £200 range.

old gamer · 3 Jun 2016 at 13:09

Gregster said:
Superman would have no chance for the record

But spot on. These are bought for fun and not a life or death thing.

Your talking rubbish you noob, superman will duff up batman any day of the week