AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

[james.miller]

I am half expecting the RX 480 to be cut down GPU's while Apple and/or Sony take the best binned GPU's but that remains to be seen. As long as the 480 is what AMD says it will be - ready for VR - then there is no fail at all.

I can actually see that being the other way, especially with the numbers involved. GPU with parts disabled are naturally 'cheaper' to produce and more plentyful - i can see sony getting the cut down versions and the fully enabled cores used in the desktop cards perhaps.

 

[Ferrari100]

I can actually see that being the other way. GPU with parts disabled are naturally 'cheaper' to produce and more plentyful - i can see sony getting the cut down versions and the fully enabled cores used in the desktop cards perhaps.

You may well be right, it will depend on how much power Sony want.
Obviously they will pay less for cut down chips.
If they want the PS4 to be the best it can they will have to have deeper pockets for uncut GPU's

Either way its a win, win for AMD.

They promised VR entry at an affordable price. As long as they deliver that its all good.

 

[Ferrari100]

Not for the customer no but it wouldn't be great for AMD. They really ought to try and push the boat out this time and bring more than the usual increases from gen to gen. At least once to restore some credibility and market. NVIDIA can get away with it easier because they have the mindshare.

I'm pretty sure if the customer is happy with a product that is the most important thing for any business.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not for the customer no but it wouldn't be great for AMD. They really ought to try and push the boat out this time and bring more than the usual increases from gen to gen. At least once to restore some credibility and market. NVIDIA can get away with it easier because they have the mindshare.

That's the thing we know its 2304 shaders and the AOTS test had the GPU pegged at 1266MHZ. That should get to ballpark R9 390X level performance. Remember,a month or two ago,it was said Polaris 10 would be between 1.2GHZ and 1.3GHZ and performance would be close to an R9 390X level.

I believe Chiphell forum a 95% of an R9 390X was mentioned quite a while ago.

We also don't know if AMD is going to give OEMs free reign to produce more pre-overclocked models,which will no doubt look worse in performance/watt than the reference cards.

Remember half the negative PR about AMD cards is "they draw lots of power" and "run hot" and was a major push for people to just buy a Maxwell card. Know loads who bought GTX960 and GTX750TI cards since the AMD equivalent cards were considered to be hot running and drew too much power.

Edit!!

But also remember,AMD probably has made sure these are cheaper to make in some metrics.

That PCB is very short for an AMD card. It looks close to the one in my GTX960.

This card is probably closer to an R9 370 in terms of cooling and power delivery.

The R9 380 and R9 380X need much more robust power delivery and cooling which increases cost.

 

[D.P.]

Exactly - even the GTX1070 pumpers here will never even buy a £150 to £200 Nvidia or AMD GPU,so continue to just post in this thread to pump the GTX1070 for some reason,since they want to buy a GTX1070.

Funny how they don't go to the Pascal thread and discuss it there.

They are on purpose trying to make the RX480 look worse ,by saying it needs to be Fury/Fury X level at $199/£165 otherwise it is a fail compared to the GTX1070.

Even at UNDER R9 390X level performance at £200 it has better price/performance than a GTX1070,since it is replacing the older cards at the SAME PRICE POINT.

But when shown that the GTX1070 with its mighty performance increase is coming at a decent dollar and pound increase in price over the GTX970 they are ignore it and continue to try and thrash this one.

The GTX1070 is NOT replacing the GTX970 at the SAME PRICE POINT.

Pot. Kettle. Black

You are the one going on and on about the 1070. In the words of other posters, why are you discussing Pascal in the Polaris thread? Personally I'm fine if you want todicsus price and perform me of pascal here in relation to the 480, I just want you to realize you are the one that is constantly raising the subject so it is incredibly ironic that you are then complaining about it. Just like you are complaining about under stating 480 performance when you are actively under stating pascal performance and over stating price increase.



I don't see anyone trying to make the 480 worse than it is. Personally, I have been giving good praise for price to performance and the competitive power figures. I've repeatedly said how this is a great card for consumers and puts a lot of pressure on Nvidia pricing the 1060. What I am doing is trying to get a realistic understanding of the 480 and not hype up performance to ridiculous levels. I'm interested in the technology, not marketing figures.

 

[humbug]

It isn't that simple as the GPU Uilization was 51% for the single batch, 71.9% for the medium batch, and 92.3% for the heavy batch. Source

This is closer to the truth, but that was run on an older version so performance could have been improved in the newest version. This would put it between a Titan X and Fury X.

I ran my 1500/1950 GTX 970 at the same settings (DSR 1440P) and got the same performance.

My 970 @ 1500/1950 is about 10% quicker than a stock 980.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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The mods said we should stop bickering so lets do that,and look back to the first post I was replying to,and if you can't that is your problem.

Also,I have said months ago this would be R9 390/R9 390X level performance and that it would have to be £200 to £210 at most to be a reasonable bump.

This is what plenty of us said,you included. This is why people quoting Fury and faster figures are being unreasonable and the GTX1070 for some reason(BEFORE MY RESPONSES) are also just setting it up to be some failure when it seems perfectly OK for the market.

We have no clue what ORGINAL performance level AMD and Nvidia had originally targetted their GPUs at,so all we know is the current pricing and rough performance for that pricing.

PS:

I also don't think this is the next HD4870,but it is a welcome bump for the market at this price range.

Like I said I am really excited to see what Nvidia retaliates with. I have said that too ages ago.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I can't see how its a fail for only being around 390 performance, as was said above, they were always going to release a card at that performance, as are Nvidia (1060 ?), so i guess when that turns up, were also gona see post after post proclaiming how Nvidia have massively failed.

AMD are going where the market is, Nvidia aren't (yet), so while all their 1070s/80s are going to be just sitting on the shelves collecting dust, AMDs P10s are going to be flying off them, and in doing so, gaining them that much needed markeshare, as Nvidias will evaporate.

 

[D.P.]

The mods said we should stop bickering so lets do that,and look back to the first post I was replying to,and if you can't that is your problem.

Also,I have said months ago this would be R9 390/R9 390X level performance and that it would have to be £200 at most to be reasonable value.

This is what plenty of us said,you included. This is why people quoting Fury and faster figures are being unreasonable and the GTX1070 for some reason(BEFORE MY RESPONSES)and also just setting it up to be some failure when it seems perfectly OK for the market.

We have no clue what ORGINAL performance level AMD and Nvidia had originally targetted their GPUs at,so all we know is the current pricing and rough performance for that pricing.

OK, I'm sorry I didn't see you were replying to earlier posts about the 1070.


Looks like we agree about the 480 position.

 

[Ferrari100]

Does anybody here know what improvement this new command processor might bring? If so Is there any chance that it might improve AMD's DX11 performance?

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/01/AMD-Polaris-Architecture-7.jpg

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[Mauller]

Does anybody here know how this new command processor will work? Is there any chance that it might improve AMD's DX11 performance?

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yes, that is one of the main reasons for the updated command processor.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

OK, I'm sorry I didn't see you were replying to earlier posts about the 1070.


Looks like we agree about the 480 position.

The thing is I just don't want people setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect faster than a R9 390X level for £200,since I seriously doubt it.

It is a great improvement even at in-between R9 390 and R9 390X level performance at that price,and I hope it is close to an R9 390X.

If it is,Nvidia will also respond via either price-cuts on existing Maxwell cards and releasing a GTX1060 to compete.

It is a win all-round.

If it does not catch even an R9 390 at £200,yes I will be somewhat disappointed. It will be an improvement over an R9 380, GTX960 or R9 380X,but it would just reinforce 14NM/16NM being a blasted disappointment overall so far.

 

[D.P.]

I can't see how its a fail for only being around 390 performance, as was said above, they were always going to release a card at that performance, as are Nvidia (1060 ?), so i guess when that turns up, were also gona see post after post proclaiming how Nvidia have massively failed.

AMD are going where the market is, Nvidia aren't (yet), so while all their 1070s/80s are going to be just sitting on the shelves collecting dust, AMDs P10s are going to be flying off them, and in doing so, gaining them that much needed markeshare, as Nvidias will evaporate.

Yeah,I really don't get why some people think a 390x type card using half the power and costing £200 (8gb) is any kind if fail. Nvida will have a hard time meeting that price-performance. The 1060 is likely slightly slower but nvidia would have wanted prices at least $50 above the 480. They can meet 480 prices but that leaves a big gap from 1060 to 1070.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah,I really don't get why some people think a 390x type card using half the power and costing £200 (8gb) is any kind if fail. Nvida will have a hard time meeting that price-performance. The 1060 is likely slightly slower but nvidia would have wanted prices at least $50 above the 480. They can meet 480 prices but that leaves a big gap from 1060 to 1070.

Nvidia can respond by making a GTX1060TI for £250 with a bit better performance using salvaged GP104 chips but better price/performance than a GTX1070. IIRC,there were three leaked versions of the GP104.

If the GP106 is slower than Polaris 10,you might find Nvidia sandwiching AMD pricing with not directly competing parts.

So at that point you have compelling options under £300 either way you look.

 

[drunkenmaster]

If [H] was right then Polaris wasn't supposed to be this cheap and they only lowered the price because it couldn't get beyond Hawaii perf.

If he was telling the truth then Polaris did, in fact, fail. We will have to wait and see once final user benchmarks and OC potential are known.

Dear lord your AMD bashing in the last few days has been ridiculous. YOu had a pop at $200 pricing for Polaris because at some stage retailers tanked pricing on a 290x to clear stock. So if a 980ti goes on sales at £300 basically doubling it's price/performance, then the next gen has to offer that same performance at £150? That isn't how the world works, stuff goes on sale, almost every previous gen has had killer deals on say 6970's as/when the 7970 launched, killer 580gtx deals when the 680gtx launched, etc. That doesn't effect the overall price positioning.

AMD taked about Polaris being this cheap at the start of the year. This was always a smaller chip and always intended to be cheap. Also no [h] weren't right, the entire story he came up with was utter gibberish/nonsense. Koduri is a bit awkward talking to the media in a room alone with Lisa no where near him, but because he is awkward on a stage with her, he's trying to break the RTG group away from AMD... despite absolutely zero ability to do so, it's literally laughable.

Once the 1080ti or whatever it is launches, the 314mm^2 1070, currently at what $379 will have to move to maybe $300 while the 1080 hits $450 or less with 1080ti around the $700 mark. If the 1070 314mm^2 salvaged die is aiming at a final price point of close to $300.... where should the price of a 232mm^2 core be? 25% less... right where Polaris pricing is?

 

[KonfuciousK]

I'm thinking of getting the 480 to prop my 390x up in crossfire or multi-gpu. Or sell that and get two 480s. For the money it's worth a punt to play around with. Especially if it gets close to the performance levels they are claiming. Performance-per-currency is looking really impressive here and that is the main driver in any decision I think.

Although I really have little care for noise and heat levels. If it doesn't melt and keeps working let it boil.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Koduri did drop the RX480 card though!!

Fast forward to 3 minutes 50 seconds. Oops!!

 

[Mauller]

One thing i do like is the new industrial style coolers on them, will be nice if they perform well considering they teased them for the 300 series but never released them.

 

[Lokken86]

Does anybody here know what improvement this new command processor might bring? If so Is there any chance that it might improve AMD's DX11 performance?

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/01/AMD-Polaris-Architecture-7.jpg[/QUOTE]

Its too utilise the stream processors more efficiently so less are sitting idol waiting for work. It means also the card is less reliant on async compute.

 

[Ferrari100]

Its too utilise the stream processors more efficiently so less are sitting idol waiting for work. It means also the card is less reliant on async compute.

Cool, thanks.

Sounds good.

I'm hoping my DX11 game back catalogue gets some performance boost.