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AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

sin said:
$599=£373.93+VAT=£74.79=£448.72 but now they say price is
$650=405.77+VAT=£81.15=£486.92 round that to £550 for shop profit

But just have to see on 25th
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indeed, 780 was rrp'd at $650 which worked out to about £550 at launch, but can be had for ~£500 now.

I think that is the price point this will release at.
 
Seeing as it's still 28nm doesn't that mean the yields would be much better than with a new process? So etailers get more allocation, maybe gouging won't be so bad?

Obviously it's a big chip and had quite a lot of tweaking to the arch, so not sure what to expect with availability.
 
£500 would be a shame, as it's too close to the 780 (even if it does easily outperform it). Though with BF4 bundled that'd help.

I think it'd be far better to price it under the 780, so something like £450 for reference, £500 for custom cooled.
 
Just spotted something very strange with the bench link posted earlier

LtMatt defeats R9 290X with a HD 7970

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From the Extreme Firestrike bench

8. 5252. GFX Score 5366. nvTitan. Water Cooled. Physics Score 16076. CPU 3930k @ 4.5 Water Cooled - andybird123 - Link
9. 4608. GFX Score 4839. nvTitan. Air Cooled. Physics Score 10348. CPU 4770k @ 3.5 Air Cooled - cjdavid - Link
10. 4502. GFX Score 4652. 7970. Water Cooled. Physics Score 13307. CPU 2700k @ 5.16 Water Cooled - LtMatt - Link
11. 4434. GFX Score 4600. 7970. Air Cooled. Physics Score 17634. CPU 3960X @ 4.9 Water Cooled - geeman1979 - Link
12. 4336. GFX Score 4459. 7970. Water Cooled. Physics Score 12668. CPU 3820 @ 4.9 Water Cooled - Nickolp1974 - Link
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18487344

There is something very strange going on with the R9 290X. The other reason this is interesting is this bench is about having loads of GPU grunt, this is why GTX 680s don't do well on it.
 
Tonester0011 said:
Kaap, how much would these need to beat a Titan by for you to get a couple? Unless you're getting two to replace your old Matrix Plats anyway :D
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They would need a clear margin of maybe 7% to 10% in things like Heaven 4 and the graphics parts of the 3dmark benches.

I know people don't like using benches as they are not games but games can be biased to one manufacturer or the other.

The other thing that would be important is it has to be an apples to apples comparison. What I mean by that is cards like the MSI 780 lightning are often quoted as being faster than the Titan, but if you run them under the same conditions then the Titan comes out on top. This is another consideration I like about the Titans I prefer a card that is quite low clocked with lots of headroom to a very highly clocked card with very little left in the tank.

You have just given me an idea, even if the R9 290X can not beat a Titan I may still get a couple to replace the Platinums anyway.
 
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Roll on the 25th, this is getting exciting. I'm sure nvidia will have a titan mark 2 hidden up their sleeve somewhere though to counter this in a few months.
 
MrMarvelous said:
Don't mean to be a dick here but it's late and I cba reading through 8 pages of text so...

...how are these cards looking? What % gains coming from a 7970 to one of these am I likely to see?
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Look at Titan, you find out.
Overclocked there can be said to almost reach a 7990 with high end watercooling (speculative at this point)

Kaapstad said:
Just spotted something very strange with the bench link posted earlier

LtMatt defeats R9 290X with a HD 7970

koxv.jpg


From the Extreme Firestrike bench



http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18487344

There is something very strange going on with the R9 290X. The other reason this is interesting is this bench is about having loads of GPU grunt, this is why GTX 680s don't do well on it.
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He beats a Titan there also.
the 7970 is the king.

You need to compare apple vs apple, unless same mhz is used without a so called turbo boost or OC vs default, numbers will always tell a story.

If the 290x OC good your looking at a good stopgap until 20nm.
 
Looks like Charlie from SemiAccurate called it sometime ago and is going to be spot on.

It looks like new GPUs are coming this fall with AMD’s Hawaii now set for late September. This one is going to change the market mainly because there is no competition for it this year.
As SemiAccurate said in April when we reported about Nvidia’s cancellation of the GK114 Kepler update, the company is showing severe financial stress related cracks in the development roadmap. Hawaii and the Volcanic Islands family is coming this fall and a late September public show likely means an October silicon launch. This is a massively updated GPU vs the minor tweaks in the last round. Given the timing, Hawaii is unquestionably a 28nm part so no shrink related performance bump but the architectural changes should more than make up for that. It is unlikely to be an incremental advance.
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http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/amd-to-launch-hawaii-in-hawaii/
 
flopper said:
Look at Titan, you find out.
Overclocked there can be said to almost reach a 7990 with high end watercooling (speculative at this point)



He beats a Titan there also.
the 7970 is the king.

You need to compare apple vs apple, unless same mhz is used without a so called turbo boost or OC vs default, numbers will always tell a story.

If the 290x OC good your looking at a good stopgap until 20nm.
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Actually he does not beat the Titan as you have to compare graphics scores not overall score to get an apples to apples comparrison.

The other interesting thing about it is the Titan in question is running at stock on a Haswell system @3.5 yet he scores more than in those bench figures which are getting quoted where the guy is running his haswell @4.2.

The reason I posted about LtMatts HD 7970 was to point out that these figures we have seen so far really do need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. If all is well with the R9 290X when it launches, there is no way it is going to get beat by an overclocked HD 7970 on a graphics intensive bench like Firestrike Extreme.
 
Kaapstad said:
Actually he does not beat the Titan as you have to compare graphics scores not overall score to get an apples to apples comparrison.

The other interesting thing about it is the Titan in question is running at stock on a Haswell system @3.5 yet he scores more than in those bench figures which are getting quoted where the guy is running his haswell @4.2.

The reason I posted about LtMatts HD 7970 was to point out that these figures we have seen so far really do need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. If all is well with the R9 290X when it launches, there is no way it is going to get beat by an overclocked HD 7970 on a graphics intensive bench like Firestrike Extreme.
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The 7970 is the king.
New king coming.
(Lion king reference)

Yea, I never been thinking like, darn that Titan score is good when it cost an arm and a leg and an eye, does that make me a Pirate btw?
The 290x seems to be tweaked and refined from the previous design and adding a 512bit mem controller might make it a really superb deal OC at suggested pricepoint below or same as the 780.

Its as far been creating a buzz unheard off with amd.
Beating a Titan has never been wrong in the greece history.

gpu score I never checked, overall score wins as the system pulls the fps.
;)
In any way, if the indication is true, it seems to be a win for amd and the 290 pro version might be the optimal BF4 card.
 
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