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AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

Wasn't it Frosty saying NDA was up today (Which would mean reviews surely?)


It's a damn shame we're waiting till Tuesday for launch though (By the rumours)
 
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Ah the good ole g92 chip, one for the record books, of course soon to be beaten by the Tahiti for longevity :D

IIRC the G92 launched near the end of 2007 and was still being used in cards 4 generations later when its last models were replaced near the end of 2010 by the new Geforce 400 models, quite a feat. But like you say Tahiti is now 2/3 of the way there :)
 
Wasn't it Frosty saying NDA was up today (Which would mean reviews surely?)
Just sounds like he's having a good troll :p

It's a damn shame we're waiting till Tuesday for launch though (By the rumours)


I was told I'd have more info today but I think they were just guessing...

You don't have to take me at my word :) I'm not trolling anyone!

If I were I'd be inflating those prices a bit :p
 
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Todays my Birthday, someone buy me another 7970 Gigabyte windforce :p

I got you a birthday gift. Its hot, loud and is 12 inches in length. ;)


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That pixel fill rate increase is massive. My 7950's at 1093 mhz = 35 Pixel fill rate x2=70 Pixels. No reason not to think with a good overclock a 290X could beat a stock 7950 xfire setup.
 
It seems Tahiti is not 365MM2 as previously thought but 352MM2.

It seems Hawaii is much less geometry limited than Tahiti,and IIRC this was a limitation of the latter when compared to the current Nvidia GPUs.
 
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Since I don’t have any whitepaper with a proper explanation of this diagram, I won’t go into much details here.

What you’re basically looking at is a completely new Hawaii GPU. It is now officially confirmed that Hawaii processor has a die size of 438 mm2 (24% bigger than Tahiti). There are few noticeable changes in comparison its predecessor. First up, we have 44 Compute Units in 4 Shader Engines (Tahiti has 32 CUs). The Geometry Engine and Rasterizer have been moved into Shader Engine. The Hawaii GPU has eight 64-bit memory controllers (vs Tahiti’s six), which gives a total of 512-bit bus width. It also has eight ACE units, which is six more than Tahiti’s.

The CrossFire Compositor has been replaced with CrossFire XDMA. Among VCE and UVD multimedia accelerators you also spot a new TrueAudio DSP.

AMD Radeon R9 290X can process up to 90% more geometry than HD 7970 GHz Edition (4 billion triangles per clock vs Tahiti’s 2.1). The computing performance (single precision floating point) has increased by 30% to 5.6 TFLOPS. Thanks to more Texture Mapping Units and Raster Operating Units we have 30% and 90% fill rate increase for textures and pixels respectively (176 Gtexels/s and 64 Gpixels/s). According to the slide, also the Peak GFLOPs per mm2 has slightly increased by 5% (to 12.8 GFLOPS/mm2).

The R9 290X will be launched next week, that’s when all the details will be explained even further.

Pics and article below.
http://videocardz.com/46610/amd-hawaii-r9-290-series-gpu-diagram-leaks
 
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN!

In laymans terms how does this transfer into performance over the 7970?? Can we guesstimate the performance increase now??
 
Well you've got a raw 30% increase in horsepower, but you've got a doubling of pixel fill rate and geometry processing.

So in places that weren't geometry or pixel fill rate limited, you've got 30% performance boost(minimum I would think, it's likely some tweaks to each individual rop/tmu/shader/memory controller mean it's a little higher than that), when you were pixel fill rate limited rather than shader limited, you could have up to a 90% boost.

You'd expect that for such a bit boost in pixel/geometry that they felt those were the biggest bottlenecks of the architecture and you can somewhat see this looking at the 7790(if that is what it was called, the not too long ago added newer part).

I'd guess in general 40-60% performance increase depending on the game. It's likely that few to no games were 100% bottlenecked by any particular thing, but that parts of games, moments will be pixel/triangle limited and so with a 30% raw performance increase and some of the time significantly more performance than that we'll see at least 40% performance increase on average.

ROP's is always where I feel Nvidia had the advantage, in "cheaper" shader scenes where the card was less stressed AMD have never quite hit the highs. You look at max framerates which aren't often shown in reviews and you'd often see Nvidia miles out ahead, even if averages were level or behind AMD. Which I think is likely AMD running into the has less rops/lower pixel fill rate situation.


At 24% bigger I'd be surprised if yields weren't a good 30% down on 7970's( you will get quite obviously less cores per wafer if they are each bigger, but any duff cores have a bigger impact on yield percentage wise). More memory and higher cost pcb, higher power draw... I assume but more to the point more memory traces usually ends up a thicker more expensive PCB. So it should cost at least 30% more, the only question is where exactly would the 7970 be priced at with a decent profit today vs 2 years ago as yields have moved forward at TSMC.

Ultimately I'm guessing £350/450 290/290x, with the latter being on average 40-45% faster than the 7970......

The issue with pricing is when companies see loads of people pay obscene prices rather than ignore it till prices drop, it encourages everyone else to do the same. They might go significantly higher in price for a couple months to capture all the people willing to pay way way over the odds then drop the prices to more like £300-350 range for both cards. If people just said a flat no to £800+ Titans, the price would have been WAY down by now, way way down.

It's worth noting that if AMD said anytime before launch "btw these will be awesome prices, £300/£375", then Nvidia would pre-empt the launch and drop prices. If AMD suggest high prices, get reviews and give them prices the day before reviews go live then Nvidia don't have time to adjust pricing and push through price drops before AMD get cards out... and anything they do looks reactive.
 
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BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN!

In laymans terms how does this transfer into performance over the 7970?? Can we guesstimate the performance increase now??

Yes I guesstimate that the 290 and 290x are more powerful than a 7970.

I won't reveal my sources :D

edit: or read drunkenmaster's post who comes to the same conclusion
 
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