AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

humbug · 7 Nov 2022 at 14:42

SpellowHouse said:
Has anyone else noticed that while there is great anticipation for the 7900 xt and xtx, a lot of people say "it will drive NVIDIA prices down" rather than saying "I can't wait to buy one". In other words, people want it be competition for NVIDIA but they don't actually want to buy one themselves.
It doesn't matter how cheap it is if we don't buy it.

Yeah, well in that sense i hope Nvidia don't budge on prices because you know what i'm just as happy buying AMD as i am Nvidia and its not AMD's job to make GPU's cheaper for Nvidia fanboys.

People deserve what they get.

Combat Fighter · 7 Nov 2022 at 14:57

humbug said:
Yeah, well in that sense i hope Nvidia don't budge on prices because you know what i'm just as happy buying AMD as i am Nvidia and its not AMD's job to make GPU's cheaper for Nvidia fanboys.

People deserve what they get.

Totally agree.

I hope the Nvidia 5000 series is even more expensive. Milk them suckers!

I’m going AMD for my next card.

Calin Banc · 7 Nov 2022 at 15:13

Combat Fighter said:
Totally agree.

I hope the Nvidia 5000 series is even more expensive. Milk them suckers!

I’m going AMD for my next card.

Careful what you wish for as AMD will up the prices as well.

I read people saying that at least AMD kept the same prices. Right... AMD 2nd card this gen (7900xt) is $899, while last gen 2nd card (6800xt) was $649 => a 39% increase in price from AMD.
This gen 2nd card (7900xt) also performs worse relative to top tear card of the competition (4090) compared to last gen (6800xt vs 3090).

AMD ain't your friend as well.

gpuerrilla · 7 Nov 2022 at 15:52

I take it you didnt check out the nvidia markup of the 3080 -> 4080 then... (60+% increase). Anything lower than the 4080 will be a sidegrade at best.

Strage points of reference there. None of them are your friend I agree.

hyperseven · 7 Nov 2022 at 16:06

Any news if AMD will sell to the UK this time round?

SpudMaster · 7 Nov 2022 at 16:06

gpuerrilla said:
I take it you didnt check out the nvidia markup of the 3080 -> 4080 then... (60+% increase). Anything lower than the 4080 will be a sidegrade at best.

Strage points of reference there. None of them are your friend I agree.

Yeah as said in the previous thread by someone, AMD is just the lesser of two evils. As I pointed out before AMD has raised prices as the previous gen xx80 series competitor was $650 now this gens xx80 series competitor is $1000.
Yeah not as bad an Nvidia but they definately haven't kept the pricing the same as previous gens. They just rejigged the naming to make it seem more palatable.

Hotwired · 7 Nov 2022 at 16:28

Calin Banc said:
Careful what you wish for as AMD will up the prices as well.

Depends.

The chiplet designs should be giving them a manufacturing advantage. That should be good for them if they want to increase market share with aggressive pricing.

But prioritising opening with the high priced high end doesn't suggest they're looking to shift millions of cards any time soon.

Mr Evil · 7 Nov 2022 at 16:43

SpellowHouse said:
Has anyone else noticed that while there is great anticipation for the 7900 xt and xtx, a lot of people say "it will drive NVIDIA prices down" rather than saying "I can't wait to buy one". In other words, people want it be competition for NVIDIA but they don't actually want to buy one themselves.
It doesn't matter how cheap it is if we don't buy it.

I, for one, want to buy one. I haven't bought an nVidia card for many years due to their utter lack of ethics. They show no sign of changing that, so I'll keep buying AMD cards. Not once have I felt like I missed out on anything by doing so.

humbug · 7 Nov 2022 at 17:55

gpuerrilla said:
I take it you didnt check out the nvidia markup of the 3080 -> 4080 then... (60+% increase). Anything lower than the 4080 will be a sidegrade at best.

Strage points of reference there. None of them are your friend I agree.

71%, $700 vs $1200 is +71%

This also with 47% less shaders than the 4090 vs about 15% less for the 3080 vs 3090.

Nexus18 · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:02

Great video by DF:

humbug · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:04

I think Nvidia were hoping the 7900XTX was going to be $1400.

Nope....

Joxeon · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:11

Calin Banc said:
Careful what you wish for as AMD will up the prices as well.

I read people saying that at least AMD kept the same prices. Right... AMD 2nd card this gen (7900xt) is $899, while last gen 2nd card (6800xt) was $649 => a 39% increase in price from AMD.
This gen 2nd card (7900xt) also performs worse relative to top tear card of the competition (4090) compared to last gen (6800xt vs 3090).

AMD ain't your friend as well.

The difference last time though was nvidia had the 3080 for £649, now we got the 4070 for £1267.

Chuk_Chuk · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:19

Interesting comment I've just seen on good old reddit. Potentially one of the reasons, AMD has moved to double FP32 per stream processer, is to increase performance in Nvidia optimised titles. Their evidence for this was that in AMDs slides there was a bigger performance increase in CP2077 (RT off) than MW2 (1.7x vs 1.5x) which i recently learnt is very well optimised for AMD cards.

gpuerrilla · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:26

humbug said:
71%, $700 vs $1200 is +71%

This also with 47% less shaders than the 4090 vs about 15% less for the 3080 vs 3090.

I was being generous bug when most of the AIB versions were £800+ and you of course get all the debaters using the FE price as the floor for the 4080 (which we know is not the average cost they will command at all).

gpuerrilla · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:32

SpudMaster said:
Yeah as said in the previous thread by someone, AMD is just the lesser of two evils. As I pointed out before AMD has raised prices as the previous gen xx80 series competitor was $650 now this gens xx80 series competitor is $1000.
Yeah not as bad an Nvidia but they definately haven't kept the pricing the same as previous gens. They just rejigged the naming to make it seem more palatable.

If your used to spending £650ish pounds on your component, I don't think anyone sees a doubling in cost as welcome. You cant really justify nvidia really, they unlaunched a product as it was 'confusing' to have same name yet then next week happily bring out more flavours of the 3060 series.. "just rejigging the naming to make it seem more palatable" no?

Nobody should be nailing their colours to the mast these days. However one thing everyone understands is price.

Hotwired · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:33

There's plenty about the 4080 being DOA but what is the market for the 7900 XT (not XTX) meant to be.

While I think people are off their heads for thinking it's fine to hop from the price point of the XTX to the 4090, the price difference between the XT and XTX means AIB cards are going to instantly be in XTX price range...

Joxeon · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:47

Hotwired said:
There's plenty about the 4080 being DOA but what is the market for the 7900 XT (not XTX) meant to be.

While I think people are off their heads for thinking it's fine to hop from the price point of the XTX to the 4090, the price difference between the XT and XTX means AIB cards are going to instantly be in XTX price range...

I'd agree, I think this was intended to be a $700 7800XT but with the price and performance of the 4080 AMD took the opportunity to shuffle names and prices.

Curlyriff · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:50

Calin Banc said:
Careful what you wish for as AMD will up the prices as well.

I read people saying that at least AMD kept the same prices. Right... AMD 2nd card this gen (7900xt) is $899, while last gen 2nd card (6800xt) was $649 => a 39% increase in price from AMD.
This gen 2nd card (7900xt) also performs worse relative to top tear card of the competition (4090) compared to last gen (6800xt vs 3090).

AMD ain't your friend as well.

Is that ignoring AMD 6950xt which makes AMDs 2nd card the 6900xt then which was $999 also. If you are using naming scheme.

Also we have no idea on rasterisation performance being worse than previous either but relative increases from AMD are still significantly much better.

Not saying friends of course. However yes the 7900xtx vs 6900xt is the same price still no matter how you cut it then. The 7900xt is just $100 too much and should be $799 with the room for a 7800xt to still happily slot in at $649.

gpuerrilla · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:51

Hotwired said:
There's plenty about the 4080 being DOA but what is the market for the 7900 XT (not XTX) meant to be.

While I think people are off their heads for thinking it's fine to hop from the price point of the XTX to the 4090, the price difference between the XT and XTX means AIB cards are going to instantly be in XTX price range...

Well being realistic you wont suddenly get 80% of the mindshare transforming overnight and queuing at the store to pick up AMD cards. Guarantee that!

You might get about 5% if your lucky, so I hope like most folk people just sit and wait so the prices of both vendors suddenly gets to 'offers' and 'deals' like we used to get not many years back.

Nexus18 · 7 Nov 2022 at 18:53

Curlyriff said:
Is that ignoring AMD 6950xt which makes AMDs 2nd card the 6900xt then which was $999 also. If you are using naming scheme.

Also we have no idea on rasterisation performance being worse than previous either but relative increases from AMD are still significantly much better.

Not saying friends of course. However yes the 7900xtx vs 6900xt is the same price still no matter how you cut it then. The 7900xt is just $100 too much and should be $799 with the room for a 7800xt to still happily slot in at $649.

Didn't the 6950xt come out a fair while after the 6900xt? Would there be a 7950xt in a few months time costing more than the 7900xtx?