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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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The Uarch of the 790oxtx is like the 5700xt from RDNA1. It's certainly not AMD's top end card. And it's prices to reflect that. It's no where near the rasterized performance of a 4090 from the slides AMD released. And Azor said (PC World Vid) that the Reference 7900xtx is "the least common detonator". There is your hint. Another hint is that AMD did not compare the 7900xtx to the 4090. I believe had the 4080 was released they would have. Because that's where I believe the 7900xtx is really competiting against this generation.
It's unfortunate but the high end tier of gpus are going for $900-$1k. While the ultra high end is going over $1000-$1200+ range.
So will AMD only release a high end gpu and not compete like they did with the 5700xt? No, I don't believe so. There is still the 7950xt/xtx that has not been announced as of yet. And, there is absolutely no genuine leaks for it until now.
AMD will release a 7950xt the question is how much more performance will it be over the 7900xt? Because if we look back that the 6900xt and the 6950xt we didn't see the performance bump of 50%. And many don't know that AMD released several 6900 variants. There was the:
-xt
-xtx
-xtxh
The main difference was voltage and memory speeds per ic. But the box didn't come labeled as a "xtx" or "xtxh". You had to be in the "know" to figure out which were which.
XTXH variants were, but not limited to:
-ASRock 6900xt OC Formula
-MSI 6900xt Gaming Z Trio
-PowerColor 6900xt Red Devil Ultimate
-XFX SPEEDSTER MERC319 Limited Black
-Aorus 6900 XT XTREME WATERFORCE
-SAPPHIRE TOXIC RX 6900 XT Extreme Edition (aka Toxic EE)
To name a few. Why did I provide this when we are talking about the 7950xt/xtx? Because AMD is actually trying to provide top tier GPUs. But is horrible at marketing/advertising it. It was not advertised as such. So most did not know they exist. The only way to know that you had a xtxh was to use apps like:
HWinfo64
Adia64 Extreme
GPUz (I believe)
Which is why I believe that the 7950xt/xtx is a real product. Will they release it in time to capture mindshare? If 2023 release date is true and they don't make mention of it until 2023, no I don't think they will because it will be to little to late.
I look at it like this...lets say I believe the above 7950xt/xtx specs are true and I wanted to wait. What am I waiting for and how long should I be waiting for it? This lack of communication from AMD doesn't inspire me to wait for such a monster card because I have no indication that it's a real product to wait for.
AMD's communication with their top tier GPUs to consumer is one of the worst I've seen from any successful business in a long time. I bet you can count on one hand the number of people here knew about the xtxh variants of the 6900xt...which was later "replaced" by the 6950xt (which is similiar to me btw). But the cherry on top was that drivers didn't really start taking advantage of the xtxh until later this year! I now have to use a negative Power Limit to see a performance increase!
TLDR;
Rumored 7950xt/xtx is said to surpass 4090ti and still be more efficient doing it. But AMD's lack of communication hampers mindshare into believe that's a real product to wait for.
It's unfortunate but the high end tier of gpus are going for $900-$1k. While the ultra high end is going over $1000-$1200+ range.
So will AMD only release a high end gpu and not compete like they did with the 5700xt? No, I don't believe so. There is still the 7950xt/xtx that has not been announced as of yet. And, there is absolutely no genuine leaks for it until now.
AMD will release a 7950xt the question is how much more performance will it be over the 7900xt? Because if we look back that the 6900xt and the 6950xt we didn't see the performance bump of 50%. And many don't know that AMD released several 6900 variants. There was the:
-xt
-xtx
-xtxh
The main difference was voltage and memory speeds per ic. But the box didn't come labeled as a "xtx" or "xtxh". You had to be in the "know" to figure out which were which.
XTXH variants were, but not limited to:
-ASRock 6900xt OC Formula
-MSI 6900xt Gaming Z Trio
-PowerColor 6900xt Red Devil Ultimate
-XFX SPEEDSTER MERC319 Limited Black
-Aorus 6900 XT XTREME WATERFORCE
-SAPPHIRE TOXIC RX 6900 XT Extreme Edition (aka Toxic EE)
To name a few. Why did I provide this when we are talking about the 7950xt/xtx? Because AMD is actually trying to provide top tier GPUs. But is horrible at marketing/advertising it. It was not advertised as such. So most did not know they exist. The only way to know that you had a xtxh was to use apps like:
HWinfo64
Adia64 Extreme
GPUz (I believe)
Which is why I believe that the 7950xt/xtx is a real product. Will they release it in time to capture mindshare? If 2023 release date is true and they don't make mention of it until 2023, no I don't think they will because it will be to little to late.
I look at it like this...lets say I believe the above 7950xt/xtx specs are true and I wanted to wait. What am I waiting for and how long should I be waiting for it? This lack of communication from AMD doesn't inspire me to wait for such a monster card because I have no indication that it's a real product to wait for.
AMD's communication with their top tier GPUs to consumer is one of the worst I've seen from any successful business in a long time. I bet you can count on one hand the number of people here knew about the xtxh variants of the 6900xt...which was later "replaced" by the 6950xt (which is similiar to me btw). But the cherry on top was that drivers didn't really start taking advantage of the xtxh until later this year! I now have to use a negative Power Limit to see a performance increase!
TLDR;
Rumored 7950xt/xtx is said to surpass 4090ti and still be more efficient doing it. But AMD's lack of communication hampers mindshare into believe that's a real product to wait for.
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A 4770 type chip also could be interesting (where they use the latest node for a smaller die to get insight into it for later). Same 6nm cache does (4x for 256bit) but with a high clocking n4p that's smaller so yields really well still could increase the punch of a 7800 series.
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He still makes vids? Jebus
I think despite AMDs improvement of 54% ppw they were also power constrained so using 2 compute dies wasn't an option without a large drop to clock speed which would have negated much of the benefit while also increasing costs by quite a lot.
I think this is where AMD is headed though it just wasn't feasible for RDNA 3.
Nvidia gained much of their efficiency and performance improvement through the jump from Samsung 8nm which is really like tsmcs 10nm down to the enhanced 5nm so like a 2x node jump, next gen they won't be able to rely on such gains and with the high end already pushing such high power they will find it difficult to keep up if AMD do go with more than one compute die.
Yes he came back recently, happy to see him back as he's one that does speak some sense and yes he makes mistakes too but he's an enthusiast and sometimes hopes for the best.. He has some vey good information videos and documentary style history videos of gpus and cpus . So I let him get away with the odd mistake, at least he's not MLID and the rest of the so called leakers that make rubbish up.
Well I guess that settles that argument.
Okay, so whats the next straw people are going to clutch onto?
AMD
The Uarch of the 790oxtx is like the 5700xt from RDNA1. It's certainly not AMD's top end card. And it's prices to reflect that. It's no where near the rasterized performance of a 4090 from the slides AMD released. And Azor said (PC World Vid) that the Reference 6900xtx is "the least common detonator". There is your hint. Another hint is that AMD did not compare the 7900xtx to the 4090. I believe had the 4080 was released they would have. Because that's where I believe the 7900xtx is really competiting against this generation.
It's unfortunate but the high end tier of gpus are going for $900-$1k. While the ultra high end is going over $1000-$1200+ range.
So will AMD only release a high end gpu and not compete like they did with the 5700xt? No, I don't believe so. There is still the 7950xt/xtx that has not been announced as of yet. And, there is absolutely no genuine leaks for it until now.
AMD will release a 7950xt the question is how much more performance will it be over the 7900xt? Because if we look back that the 6900xt and the 6950xt we didn't see the performance bump of 50%. And many don't know that AMD released several 6900 variants. There was the:
-xt
-xtx
-xtxh
The main difference was voltage and memory speeds per ic. But the box didn't come labeled as a "xtx" or "xtxh". You had to be in the "know" to figure out which were which.
XTXH variants were, but not limited to:
-ASRock 6900xt OC Formula
-MSI 6900xt Gaming Z Trio
-PowerColor 6900xt Red Devil Ultimate
-XFX SPEEDSTER MERC319 Limited Black
-Aorus 6900 XT XTREME WATERFORCE
-SAPPHIRE TOXIC RX 6900 XT Extreme Edition (aka Toxic EE)
To name a few. Why did I provide this when we are talking about the 7950xt/xtx? Because AMD is actually trying to provide top tier GPUs. But is horrible at marketing/advertising it. It was not advertised as such. So most did not know they exist. The only way to know that you had a xtxh was to use apps like:
HWinfo64
Adia64 Extreme
GPUz (I believe)
Which is why I believe that the 7950xt/xtx is a real product. Will they release it in time to capture mindshare? If 2023 release date is true and they don't make mention of it until 2023, no I don't think they will because it will be to little to late.
I look at it like this...lets say I believe the above 7950xt/xtx specs are true and I wanted to wait. What am I waiting for and how long should I be waiting for it? This lack of communication from AMD doesn't inspire me to wait for such a monster card because I have no indication that it's a real product to wait for.
AMD's communication with their top tier GPUs to consumer is one of the worst I've seen from any successful business in a long time. I bet you can count on one hand the number of people here knew about the xtxh variants of the 6900xt...which was later "replaced" by the 6950xt (which is similiar to me btw). But the cherry on top was that drivers didn't really start taking advantage of the xtxh until later this year! I now have to use a negative Power Limit to see a performance increase!
TLDR;
Rumored 7950xt/xtx is said to surpass 4090ti and still be more efficient doing it. But AMD's lack of communication hampers mindshare into believe that's a real product to wait for.
The only way a 192 CU rdna3 card is 450w is if they massively reduce clock speeds. It will be like the good old dual die does where the cards ran at like 1.2ghz. And 600mm2 of die space on 4nm plus the 233mm2 on 6nm, she be pretty expensive at least double the 7950xt price. It should be enough to take the raster lead back, even if Nvidia has a 4090ti cause the 4090ti can only have 12% more cores than the 4090 and even if it had linear core to performance scaling, 50% over the 7950xt would still be enough to beat the 4090ti in raster, it would still be over 50% behind in RT but ahead of the 3090ti
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I agree on the comparison to the 5700XT part. The tech is going to mature and be striking hard in rdna4. I dont reckon the halo card will beat a 4090Ti, that's too much hopium. I do think the beefed up AIB 7950 will be 20-25% stronger than the ones we are seeing at release though.
I was purely referring to the arrogance that DLSS 3.0 is a USP that matters. The 4080 12GB that was barely faster than a 3080 in both raster and RT, but we were meant to drool over the fact it had DLSS 3.0 and for only $250 extra cost.
The vast, vast majority of GPU buyers don't give a crap about white papers. All that matters is how much does it cost, how much faster is it over the GPU it is replacing, how much power does it use and how much VRAM.
Nvidia folded quicker than Superman on laundry day when they cancelled that pile of ****. Expect it to end up cut down to 8GB VRAM and sold as the 4070 for $650.
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Absolutely agree. AMD were left an open goal by Nvidia with their joke 4080 pricing. AMD are not our friends and priced right where it hurts Nvidia while still making a decent profit.
So either Nvidia drop 4080 16GB prices, or they stick to their pricing down to arrogance.
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Being able to raise prices and still get a positive response from consumers must have been an absolute gift for AMD.
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Interesting thoughts about the new CU:
forum.beyond3d.com
If you look at the Navi 21 and Navi 31 specifications,there is only a 20% increase in shaders and RT cores. However,each CU seems to use less shared resources and more local data storage. Looks like there is a decent jump in performance per shader or RT core and maybe it can handle larger dataflows better?
I do wonder whether,like with Zen1 IF power is maybe a problem:
So if the core were scaled higher,maybe having to increase the IF frequency would lead to power problems too. So AMD clocked the core lower,so the IF will be in the optimal efficiency range.
It will be interesting to see the aftermarket cards,and how much power they can consume.
AMD RDNA3 Specifications Discussion Thread
What do you mean 'spent so much time'? In marketing materials, during unveil, etc. It would make sense if all Nv had would be DP 1.4 but they also have HDMI 2.1 which kinda negates this in full.
forum.beyond3d.com
If you look at the Navi 21 and Navi 31 specifications,there is only a 20% increase in shaders and RT cores. However,each CU seems to use less shared resources and more local data storage. Looks like there is a decent jump in performance per shader or RT core and maybe it can handle larger dataflows better?
I do wonder whether,like with Zen1 IF power is maybe a problem:
So if the core were scaled higher,maybe having to increase the IF frequency would lead to power problems too. So AMD clocked the core lower,so the IF will be in the optimal efficiency range.
It will be interesting to see the aftermarket cards,and how much power they can consume.
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I am more curious to know if AMD actually has something more powerful then this, they have 100 watts or more to play with be it throw more power at these current cards or there is something they have lined up thats balls to the wall, if Nvidia is getting away with upto 600 watts, then AMD is likely to have something.
However they didn't add anything beefier then the 6900XT watt wise down the road, other then a refined version to become the 6950XT, but we aren't suffering from a silicon shortage anymore.
I think they could release something stronger if they wanted to but it'd probably push up costs by a few hundred quid and I think they would struggle to sell even if it did beat the 4090 in raster as it would still lose in the feature set and RT, besides even the 4090s seem to be sitting in stock now and have been for a while as most of the people actually prepared to pay the costs have one so not many takers left now.
The Uarch of the 790oxtx is like the 5700xt from RDNA1. It's certainly not AMD's top end card. And it's prices to reflect that. It's no where near the rasterized performance of a 4090 from the slides AMD released. And Azor said (PC World Vid) that the Reference 7900xtx is "the least common detonator". There is your hint. Another hint is that AMD did not compare the 7900xtx to the 4090. I believe had the 4080 was released they would have. Because that's where I believe the 7900xtx is really competiting against this generation.
It's unfortunate but the high end tier of gpus are going for $900-$1k. While the ultra high end is going over $1000-$1200+ range.
So will AMD only release a high end gpu and not compete like they did with the 5700xt? No, I don't believe so. There is still the 7950xt/xtx that has not been announced as of yet. And, there is absolutely no genuine leaks for it until now.
AMD will release a 7950xt the question is how much more performance will it be over the 7900xt? Because if we look back that the 6900xt and the 6950xt we didn't see the performance bump of 50%. And many don't know that AMD released several 6900 variants. There was the:
-xt
-xtx
-xtxh
The main difference was voltage and memory speeds per ic. But the box didn't come labeled as a "xtx" or "xtxh". You had to be in the "know" to figure out which were which.
XTXH variants were, but not limited to:
-ASRock 6900xt OC Formula
-MSI 6900xt Gaming Z Trio
-PowerColor 6900xt Red Devil Ultimate
-XFX SPEEDSTER MERC319 Limited Black
-Aorus 6900 XT XTREME WATERFORCE
-SAPPHIRE TOXIC RX 6900 XT Extreme Edition (aka Toxic EE)
To name a few. Why did I provide this when we are talking about the 7950xt/xtx? Because AMD is actually trying to provide top tier GPUs. But is horrible at marketing/advertising it. It was not advertised as such. So most did not know they exist. The only way to know that you had a xtxh was to use apps like:
HWinfo64
Adia64 Extreme
GPUz (I believe)
Which is why I believe that the 7950xt/xtx is a real product. Will they release it in time to capture mindshare? If 2023 release date is true and they don't make mention of it until 2023, no I don't think they will because it will be to little to late.
I look at it like this...lets say I believe the above 7950xt/xtx specs are true and I wanted to wait. What am I waiting for and how long should I be waiting for it? This lack of communication from AMD doesn't inspire me to wait for such a monster card because I have no indication that it's a real product to wait for.
AMD's communication with their top tier GPUs to consumer is one of the worst I've seen from any successful business in a long time. I bet you can count on one hand the number of people here knew about the xtxh variants of the 6900xt...which was later "replaced" by the 6950xt (which is similiar to me btw). But the cherry on top was that drivers didn't really start taking advantage of the xtxh until later this year! I now have to use a negative Power Limit to see a performance increase!
TLDR;
Rumored 7950xt/xtx is said to surpass 4090ti and still be more efficient doing it. But AMD's lack of communication hampers mindshare into believe that's a real product to wait for.
Has he been reading my posts???? Jim???? I want paying for my consultancy
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Is anyone else thinking about upgrading their CPU too with the 7***X3D coming out next year?
If the reviews are favourable it might be time for me to do a full AMD build, especially with the Lian Li Evo XL due out I will probably go with a whole new build and hopefully AM5 boards and DDR5 will have dropped in price.
If the reviews are favourable it might be time for me to do a full AMD build, especially with the Lian Li Evo XL due out I will probably go with a whole new build and hopefully AM5 boards and DDR5 will have dropped in price.
From what was leaked a while ago, RDNA 3 WGP's are supposed to be a fair bit smaller than RDNA2 WGP's at the same feature size (node).
Big thing to wait on is if they do this rumoured dual graphics die model or not. But from the Die shot's it doesn't seem like NAVI31 has the interconnects for it, unless they use the connections that would go to the memory die's.
Big thing to wait on is if they do this rumoured dual graphics die model or not. But from the Die shot's it doesn't seem like NAVI31 has the interconnects for it, unless they use the connections that would go to the memory die's.