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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

Grim5 said:
What makes you think they didnt improve the cores?

The core count only increase by 15%, clock speeds are the same as last gen and RT performance has improved by 50-80% over last gen.

The extra cores accounts for a very small part of the improvement in RT performance, clock speeds didn't go up so that did nothing, the rest is all IPC from better cores, improvements to architecture like big MCM memory cache
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You are correct, I phrased it wrong (AMD slides claim the RT cores are 50% faster as well). But RT performance is only going up in line with raster performance, was what I was trying to say. 61 TFlop shader performance puts it at over double RDNA2.
 
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Joxeon said:
I will laugh if they end up beating the 4090 in raster.
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Near as makes no difference in some games - MW2 and CP2077 if slides are realised. You wont be able to get one if they come up that good against the 4090.

4090 scored raster (various sources)

watch dogs 108 minimums and 141 average
CP2077 75 min 83 avg
CoD MW2 77 min 139 avg
Res Evil 234 avg

4090 owners will have to scalp the 7900XTX to get some money back :eek:
 
Quartz said:
WCCFTech are reporting that the 79xx cards will have similar initial supply as the RTX 40xx, or around 160,000 units.
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160k is just how many units have been sold not really showing supply cause there are cards still on shelves it's not sold out so actual supply is higher than 160k
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
Hmm…

Considering that this is AMD who you would expect to have a lower supply the Nvidia due to the difference in market share.

I’m not sure if this is an impressive showing by AMD or a poor showing by Nvidia.
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If those figures are right, it wouldn't be very impressive by AMD. The 40xx are extremely expensive GPUs with a massive Die sizes and very limited production runs. The 7900XT and 7900XTX are small chiplet designed GPUs that are much cheaper to produce, and they should be getting a lot more GPUs per wafer than Nvidia so should have a lot more stock.

Surely AMD have learned their lesson from the last few years. They can't compete for market-share if they don't have any GPUs to sell.

Not since the last days of ATI have AMD had such a perfect opportunity. It looks like they will have their strongest lineup of GPUs ever against Nvidia. RDNA 2 was released without any problems. If they can follow that with an RDNA 3 release without any problems, then, they should clean up. They will have cheaper GPUs, but without sacrificing margins like they did with the 4xxx series cards for example. They will have GPUs that look like they will win in some areas and compete strongly in others. No real weaknesses. While Nvidia have been struggling the last few generations. The 2080ti with the memory problems, the 3080 had problems too and now the 4090 has had issues. And now Nvidia are charging ultra high prices of their new cards to clear out stock of the 3xxx cards.

So, the time is now. If they haven't more of their cheaper and smaller GPU for sale than the 4080 and 4090 did at launch, that's going to signal a disappointing lack of ambition and belief by AMD.

* of course, this all based on AMD's slides and info, not any reviews. Hoping the Reviews don't tell a different story.
 
melmac said:
If those figures are right, it wouldn't be very impressive by AMD. The 40xx are extremely expensive GPUs with a massive Die sizes and very limited production runs. The 7900XT and 7900XTX are small chiplet designed GPUs that are much cheaper to produce, and they should be getting a lot more GPUs per wafer than Nvidia so should have a lot more stock.

Surely AMD have learned their lesson from the last few years. They can't compete for market-share if they don't have any GPUs to sell.

Not since the last days of ATI have AMD had such a perfect opportunity. It looks like they will have their strongest lineup of GPUs ever against Nvidia. RDNA 2 was released without any problems. If they can follow that with an RDNA 3 release without any problems, then, they should clean up. They will have cheaper GPUs, but without sacrificing margins like they did with the 4xxx series cards for example. They will have GPUs that look like they will win in some areas and compete strongly in others. No real weaknesses. While Nvidia have been struggling the last few generations. The 2080ti with the memory problems, the 3080 had problems too and now the 4090 has had issues. And now Nvidia are charging ultra high prices of their new cards to clear out stock of the 3xxx cards.

So, the time is now. If they haven't more of their cheaper and smaller GPU for sale than the 4080 and 4090 did at launch, that's going to signal a disappointing lack of ambition and belief by AMD.

* of course, this all based on AMD's slides and info, not any reviews. Hoping the Reviews don't tell a different story.
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Its just an initial batch.

AMD's best sellers are normally in the $300 to $500 range, for RDNA2 that was the RX 6600 to RX 6800, in the $700 to $1000+ range i don't think AMD even sell 10% of what Nvidia sell in the same range, which would be 16,000 compared with Nvidia.

The fact that they are putting 160,000 $900 to $1000+ GPU's on the market for the first batch says to me that AMD are confident they will sell a lot more of these GPU's than they normally would.
 
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humbug said:
The fact that they are putting 160,000 $900 to $1000+ GPU's on the market for the first batch says to me that AMD are confident they will sell a lot more of these GPU's than they normally would.
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It's an extremely small number of GPUs, even at that price range. It doesn't say confidence to me, especially when it's the only GPUs they are releasing at this stage.

*again, only if the said numbers are true!!
 
melmac said:
It's an extremely small number of GPUs, even at that price range. It doesn't say confidence to me, especially when it's the only GPUs they are releasing at this stage.

*again, only if the said numbers are true!!
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In Q2 of this year AMD made $3,81 Billion in what they call Client and Gaming segments, those two segments are made up of Ryzen retail, Ryzen OEM, same for Radeon GPU's, it also includes consoles, XBox, PS5, Steam Deck and the few other Steam Deck like handhold's they make chips for.

160,000 $1000 GPU's amounts to $160 Million in revenue, that's 4% of AMD Q2 2022 revenue, just for that, take out Ryzen and all the consoles how much of that $3.81 Billion is just Radeon? $1 Billion if we are optimistic, just the initial batch of 2 SKU's is 15% of 3 months of an entire range of Radeon GPU's, Retail and OEM, that's a lot.

All Nvidia sell is GPU's, that's it, Nvidia are able to match AMD's revenue 'when AMD sell so many different products' because Nvidia sell so many of them at very high margins (Prices to you and me). If Nvidia weren't able to do that they would be a very much smaller and weaker company, and that's what worries them.
 
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melmac said:
If those figures are right, it wouldn't be very impressive by AMD. The 40xx are extremely expensive GPUs with a massive Die sizes and very limited production runs. The 7900XT and 7900XTX are small chiplet designed GPUs that are much cheaper to produce, and they should be getting a lot more GPUs per wafer than Nvidia so should have a lot more stock.

Surely AMD have learned their lesson from the last few years. They can't compete for market-share if they don't have any GPUs to sell.

Not since the last days of ATI have AMD had such a perfect opportunity. It looks like they will have their strongest lineup of GPUs ever against Nvidia. RDNA 2 was released without any problems. If they can follow that with an RDNA 3 release without any problems, then, they should clean up. They will have cheaper GPUs, but without sacrificing margins like they did with the 4xxx series cards for example. They will have GPUs that look like they will win in some areas and compete strongly in others. No real weaknesses. While Nvidia have been struggling the last few generations. The 2080ti with the memory problems, the 3080 had problems too and now the 4090 has had issues. And now Nvidia are charging ultra high prices of their new cards to clear out stock of the 3xxx cards.

So, the time is now. If they haven't more of their cheaper and smaller GPU for sale than the 4080 and 4090 did at launch, that's going to signal a disappointing lack of ambition and belief by AMD.

* of course, this all based on AMD's slides and info, not any reviews. Hoping the Reviews don't tell a different story.
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Die size only really dictates price not the max volume they can produce since they can just buy more wafers to get the volumes they need. Up to a point.

What do you mean by limited production run? The 4000 series are at the Volume production phase of development.

The 3090 outsold a significant portion of Amd RDNA 2 total sales. So for AMD to match Nvidia in volume is interesting. Either AMD is bringing the fight or Nvidia are constraining supply.
 
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melmac said:
It's an extremely small number of GPUs, even at that price range. It doesn't say confidence to me, especially when it's the only GPUs they are releasing at this stage.

*again, only if the said numbers are true!!
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Hard to know if this is good or bad but surely it would be a case of only initial supply. There would be more made throughout the GPU lifecycle.
 
melmac said:
It's an extremely small number of GPUs, even at that price range. It doesn't say confidence to me, especially when it's the only GPUs they are releasing at this stage.

*again, only if the said numbers are true!!
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Doesn't seem that low. In Nvidia's response to the melting cable issue, board partners told Gamers Nexus that they have sold 125,000 RTX4090 cards. So AMD's figures seem to align with Nvidia supply / sales to date.
 
With a GPU market share of around 15% AMD are at rock bottom.

Just a few years ago they had the same problem on the X86 market, we all know the story of that and AMD resurgence there is causing real and serious problems for Intel, sure the Desktop CPU's are good, but compared with Ryzen they are very expensive, very low margin, the real problem for Intel is in their own back yard, datacentre.

AMD's latest frequency optimised Zen 4 32 core EPYC is faster in Multithreading than two 40 core Intel Icelake Xeon's, 80 cores, which is currently the fastest thing Intel make for Datacentre, AMD's Zen 4 cores scale all the way up to 192 cores across two sockets, and soon 256 cores, its mental, even back in the days of Bulldozer Opteron vs Xeon it was not anything like this bad for AMD.
As a result AMD are eating into Intel Datacentre marketshare like never before, on top of that Intel's previous bullet proof mindshare is crumbling like a house of cards. You know what? AMD do AVX 512 better and more efficiently than Intel. So much for that being the thing to Kill AMD in X86.

The only way for AMD in GPU's is up, and that can only be at the expense of Nvidia, Nvidia are aggressive with Marketing and their very effective tricks like turning RT up to 11 in any game they sponsor, which hurts Nvidia performance unnecessarily but AMD's more, and that's the point, like tessellation, remember that?
But to achieve that Nvidia are having to make these massive expensive GPU's, far more massive and expensive than AMD's.
They need you to believe that RT is everything, because if you don't then you're not going to buy their 60% more expensive GPU's in much greater numbers than AMD's, and they can't afford to sell them for much less, Nvidia's need to win is also their weakness because if they don't win they are going to have serious problems.
 
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