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AMD RX 580 and RX 560 leak

LoadsaMoney said:
Good video that, and why ive said, we'll only get Dx12, when Nvidia give it to us, and also why, i don't care what AMD do in the consoles, when im a PC gamer, whos gaming market, as we all know, is owned by Nvidia. :)
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Things change with technology, especially when companies get complacent or greedy, you might see a total about face soon. I mean look at what happened to Nokia who 'owned' the mobile phone sector. :)
 
Journey said:
Things change with technology, especially when companies get complacent or greedy, you might see a total about face soon. I mean look at what happened to Nokia who 'owned' the mobile phone sector. :)
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dont forget the likes of Kodak for films/photography (bigger then nokia business ever was) ... how the mightiest can fall and fall hard
 
I still don't understand why they didn't at least put on faster memory. (e.g. 9gbps is probably the same cost as 8Ggbs was before for example). When Nvidia update their cards, they unlock extra cores they lasered off and add faster memory. AMD just don't seem to do that.
 
Scougar said:
I still don't understand why they didn't at least put on faster memory. (e.g. 9gbps is probably the same cost as 8Ggbs was before for example). When Nvidia update their cards, they unlock extra cores they lasered off and add faster memory. AMD just don't seem to do that.
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ram prices has soared , least when companies ordered their first batches of ram chips for the 400 series the price has gone up by 30% odd and increasing. Keeping to the older type might of saved some cash at least.
IM guessing companies must have agreements in for the Life of that product to stop a product soaring in price or reducing to much
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Good video that, and why ive said, we'll only get Dx12, when Nvidia give it to us, and also why, i don't care what AMD do in the consoles, when im a PC gamer, whos gaming market, as we all know, is owned by Nvidia. :)
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DX12 uptake has nothing to do with Nvidia. Its down to the developers, and the fact that DX12 is not at all what it is hyped p to be . DX12 takes a lot of additional resources to get performance up to DX11 levels on AMD or Nvidia hardware, and improvements beyond that are only possible the design of the game engine depends heavily on on the the bottlenecks of DX11. But here is the thing, game developers specifically designed their engines not to get bottle-necked like that so performance gains in most situations are minimal. The other big fact is mnay gamers are still on Windows 7 and don't even have access to DX12
 
Yes, only 50% plus of gamers using Steam for example are on Windows 10, where as at least 33% are on Windows 7, so the market is dominated by people who cannot take advantage of DX12.
 
D.P. said:
DX12 uptake has nothing to do with Nvidia. Its down to the developers, and the fact that DX12 is not at all what it is hyped p to be . DX12 takes a lot of additional resources to get performance up to DX11 levels on AMD or Nvidia hardware, and improvements beyond that are only possible the design of the game engine depends heavily on on the the bottlenecks of DX11. But here is the thing, game developers specifically designed their engines not to get bottle-necked like that so performance gains in most situations are minimal. The other big fact is mnay gamers are still on Windows 7 and don't even have access to DX12
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poor innocent Nvidia, i had it all wrong!
that's how convincing your argument was, bravo!
 
Journey said:
Yes, only 50% plus of gamers using Steam for example are on Windows 10, where as at least 33% are on Windows 7, so the market is dominated by people who cannot take advantage of DX12.
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Good thing Vulkan will run on it all; now if only M$ weren't be doped up monkeys and stopped restricting current updates for Ryzen and new Intel systems to Windows 10.
 
Journey said:
So they think it's really good, but you need to put hard work and effort in to get the most from it, and it's not an immediate remedy? That pretty much sums up the entire article, which says to me that once they have the foundations down, then it's all smooth sailing from there.
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they said the same thing about each new DX iteration that came out 8-9-10-11-12... new = learning curve
 
So basically... don't bother putting in the time, effort cost into DX12. Look how that worked out for games like Planetside 2. They decided to use tech they were familiar with and performance suffered massively because it was a huge CPU hog, and they used DX9 for it, which was a silly decision.
 
Journey said:
So they think it's really good, but you need to put hard work and effort in to get the most from it, and it's not an immediate remedy? That pretty much sums up the entire article, which says to me that once they have the foundations down, then it's all smooth sailing from there.
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It's not just a learning curve. It inherently comes with extra work involved.

It's quite possible DX12/Vulkan never become more than an alternative API rather than the standard.
 
Seanspeed said:
It's not just a learning curve. It inherently comes with extra work involved.

It's quite possible DX12/Vulkan never become more than an alternative API rather than the standard.
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Sorry to sound very noobish, what are the alternatives if neither of those take the reigns as the new standard? I mean DX11 has been around since 2008/9 and DX12 only since 2015 yet people seem to be writing it off already. Are games devs really going to be using decade old API's etc.?
 
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