How do you know that? Mid range is where most the money is made. This is usually <£300 is the 1070 sub £300 or has it been close? Its had a recent price drop but still bit pricey for a lot which means there has been a lot waiting still for a upgrade. AMD comes in with performance that's around 1070 level with 580 and prices it lower around 480 prices and that has a lot of people jumping on to thier next upgrade.
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How do you know that? Mid range is where most the money is made. This is usually <£300 is the 1070 sub £300 or has it been close? Its had a recent price drop but still bit pricey for a lot which means there has been a lot waiting still for a upgrade. AMD comes in with performance that's around 1070 level with 580 and prices it lower around 480 prices and that has a lot of people jumping on to thier next upgrade.
AMD need to get a move on and release a 1080ti beater asap. I don't believe the nonsense about 'there's no market in the high end' the 1080ti's are flying of the shelves, just like the 1080's did before that, also what's the point of having a 3440x1440 or a 4k freesync monitor when the only supported vendor is realising rehashed mid range cards??? Now before I called 'elitist' like I have done on other forums for a similar comment, I own a mid range AMD based PC (fx8350, x2 r9 290's in crossfire) and I all ways will build in the 'mid range'. But the lack of competition at the top of the benchmarks is ridiculous, also, by have the top card, is the best marketing for your brand anyway.
No one said there is no market in the high end. But most money is made in the mid range. Its like high end cars they sell quite well and are expensive but most money is made at economy class cars. 1080ti seem to be flying off the shelf's but that's because of shortage of stock. Same for the 1080. could have said the same for the Fury x cards. Soon as they came in stock they flew off the shelfs lol. Does not mean it sold well and made AMD a lot of money. Yea sure 1080ti and 1080 sold better but nothing like the 970 for example.
Fair comment, just a little frustrating when you shell out for a night refresh rate freesync monitor, yet there's nothing to take advantage of it, unless you crossfire
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Does that even exist these days. I've probably 60+ games in my collection, yet I could probably count on one hand, how many of those get my crossfire working and pushing 100fps+ on my 1440p freesync screen.
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Agreed, esp when Crossfire is in the toilet too and not an option at present
My LG is fantastic but it's crying out for more graphical powa!!!
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Crossfire is beyond pathetic atm. I'd have bought a Radeon Pro Duo when they dropped to £700 a couple of months back if it wasn't
I have crossfire 290's, only bought 2nd as I got for £80. Wish I didn't bother
That isn't always true. Porsche make way more money per car than Ford. Their profit is about 10% of their revenue. Ford's is like 3%.
Just to swing my post back on topic, I do not think AMD need a high end card like a 1080ti. They need something akin to a 1070 for sure now. I myself will be interested in a 580, performance permitting. This 290 is too loud and too hot.
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What they mean is there will be no market left in the high end by the time they get there
yes well done but how many cars do you think ford sell at thier lower priced end compared to porshe? that's my point. The more they sell the more they make despite lower profit margins. And do you think the mid range cards AMD makes less profit? They make less profit on high end cards not mid range lol.
could depend where AMD price thier high end cards. If right up nvidia's street then nopeWhat they mean is there will be no market left in the high end by the time they get there
but if they get serious and give them something to think about coming in at a lower price then people will jump who are still waiting to upgrade. People seem to forget there is lots of people still waiting to upgrade. It's only us active folk on the forums who tend to upgrade quick lol. And yes i do think AMD need to come in at a lower price. If AMD was slightly faster than nvidia at a similar price i still think nvidia will out sell them. nVidia just have that brand image now and only way to persuade people is the price.
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Got to agree with the above, Xfire is rubbish, and just not worth the hassle.
This is my first time going Xfire, as wanted to try it, and it will be my last, as all you do with Xfire is, boot up a game, find its either runs terrible, stutters like buggery, or you have flickering textures, this that and the other, so have to quit out, disable Xfire, then fire said game back up on a single card.
I got so sick of doing that, i just left my second card disabled in the end, and it has been like that for nearly 2 years now, and it has been bliss, when i want to game, i just fire a one up, and just play.
If i want to play through HL2 and its Episodes again, or the original Metro games, then ill re-enable my second card, as Xfire works fine in those, but once im done, its back to disabled and left.
This is my first time going Xfire, as wanted to try it, and it will be my last, as all you do with Xfire is, boot up a game, find its either runs terrible, stutters like buggery, or you have flickering textures, this that and the other, so have to quit out, disable Xfire, then fire said game back up on a single card.
I got so sick of doing that, i just left my second card disabled in the end, and it has been like that for nearly 2 years now, and it has been bliss, when i want to game, i just fire a one up, and just play.
If i want to play through HL2 and its Episodes again, or the original Metro games, then ill re-enable my second card, as Xfire works fine in those, but once im done, its back to disabled and left.
You don't actually know this to be true though, do you? You are theorising what AMD and nvidia make on their products.
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+1, there are a lot of "experts" who seem to think they know anything about the subject. Everything they say needs to be taken with a huge sack of salt obviously.
Others are just repeating what they heard others say, give it a bit of time and it becomes "verified knowledge".
2 years you say?
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Yeah its an odd one, its not all windows, just certain ones, when i get out at the top of there, in the distance theres a bus, and its windows are like that, but Green and Yellowy, and also the building just across from you, you can see through some of the windows (which are fine), to ones behind them, and those are Green, Yellowy as well, but are always like it, them big ones in my shot, go back to normal when i start running about.
EDIT: might be an Xfire problem (surprise, surprise), as just booted it back up on a single card, and it was perfect.
EDIT2: Yep, its an Xfire prob, re-enabled my second card, and it came back.
Are you guys actually kidding me? You reckon more money is made high end and enthusiast than the mid range? I wish gibbo or some one would chime in here.
If it was true why would amd keep most thier focus on mid range like they did with polaris which actually saw thier share price increase. It shows they did better overall with this approach than focusing on high end. Thats a good example of why mid range makes more money.
If it was true why would amd keep most thier focus on mid range like they did with polaris which actually saw thier share price increase. It shows they did better overall with this approach than focusing on high end. Thats a good example of why mid range makes more money.
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Yeah odd that, i only enabled my second card a few weeks ago, as went back through HL2 and the Metro games (originals) again, where Xfire works fine, but the Metro Redux', it doesn't
, well i don't know about the Redux LL, as im only playing the 2033 Redux, to see if the stutterings any better (which is a known problem with it), as with it being on the LL engine, it might be, as LL (original) hardly stutters at all, it runs much better than the 2033 original. 
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I don't think you can quite connect the two as AMD has had other factors to contend with as well which will have an impact on their decision making.
I know traditionally one of if not the biggest volume and profit making areas was the x50 type cards but sales have been a bit funny lately - GTX1080 and RX480 figures especially seem to be way out of whack compared to traditional sales and the 970 sold pretty strongly as well which for awhile wasn't slotted into the mid-range tier until it suited nVidia.
Volume and profit are not the same thing.
Higher end cards cost don't just more because of the specification but because less of them are made hence the economy of scale effect is lower. More money will be made per on high end stuff but because of the lesser volume sold, less money will be made overall.