Steve: "In the end we came to the conclusion that the AM5 platform is a complete mess"
beta testing is not done, AM5 bios even the newest ones released in the last few days are filled with bugs
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AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up
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Steve: "In the end we came to the conclusion that the AM5 platform is a complete mess"
beta testing is not done, AM5 bios even the newest ones released in the last few days are filled with bugs
Soldato
Probably why we have been getting a new bios every 1-2 days.
Yes I agree, makes me wonder why there is an ASUS bios floating around out there thats not on the boards website but labelled 1410, however there is also a beta bios on the boards website labelled 1401 ???
Sounds like they are fixing a bios thats still in beta but put the beta out anyway, yeah right.......that sounds safe to flash......NOT.
I think the video and findings from GN will spark a lot more bios updates, especially from ASUS
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Soldato
Good video for steve at GN - final conculsion being Asus being Asus but AMD have to take some blame.
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By the time my future Zen 5 non-X CPU comes out I think they should be out of beta. This is why I don't upgrade to a new socket right away.
Steve did remind us that this is hard to replicate. I assume what he was getting at was he was given this CPU that had the same look as the pads on der8auer's CPU (discoloured CPU pads)?
der8auer in his video tried to replicate it and couldn't kill it. Albeit not for long as Steve was already on the case and didn't really see the point.
If you have a 'problem CPU' but using a newer BIOS then the problem is solved? The usual warnings about warranty void if you overclock/overvolt your CPU is as valid as ever.
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Soldato
Still working through the GN video. It’s a bit odd that these issues only appeared when the 7800X3D came out. I know it has happened on some other non-3D CPUs but so far it is been nearly entirely 7800X3D impacted.
GN absolutely hammering Asus, AMD and Gigabyte in that vid, who wants to bed other "media" outlets will join the bandwaggon now?
They've had it coming.
Too right, but it just shows how many media outlets can be trust nowdays when it comes to reviews and information. (aka very few).
Soldato
ASRock and MSI as well. Although it seems like poor communication about the X3D parameters from AMD is causing a lot of this.
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What a mess, and impressively so. Ironically said it was a mess earlier on and people were very quick to defend AMD - how do you feel about it now? xD
The fact that ASUS have rushed out so many BIOS versions too is making me pause on upgrading my own purely because I have to question how tested and reliable these updates are, especially given the lack of testing originally. At least it does for the most part still look to come down to SoC voltage, so with mine set manually at 1.2v I can't see any reason to upgrade for now, until the current/next BIOS have matured and been actually tested somewhat.
The fact that ASUS have rushed out so many BIOS versions too is making me pause on upgrading my own purely because I have to question how tested and reliable these updates are, especially given the lack of testing originally. At least it does for the most part still look to come down to SoC voltage, so with mine set manually at 1.2v I can't see any reason to upgrade for now, until the current/next BIOS have matured and been actually tested somewhat.
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ASUS BIOS page:
www.asus.com
Clarification needed
AMD and all motherboard vendors are recommending to upgrade to the latest BIOS. Latest BIOS is beta and isn't covered under warranty? So I guess that's zero motivation for me to upgrade the BIOS then (if I owned AM5), I'd rather install a not-beta BIOS and have all the warranty.
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Clarification needed
AMD and all motherboard vendors are recommending to upgrade to the latest BIOS. Latest BIOS is beta and isn't covered under warranty? So I guess that's zero motivation for me to upgrade the BIOS then (if I owned AM5), I'd rather install a not-beta BIOS and have all the warranty.
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Just hope that it is actually 1.2v. Steve showed that other Gigabyte one which was set in the bios but was 1.4v with the voltage meter attached.
Asus or gigabyte?
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Asus - ninja edited my post thanks
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I'm still all in AMD non-X over anything Intel make (space heaters). When Intel make something that competes with AM5 longevity and runs cool, let me know.
Soldato
This^^^ I have mine manually set in the bios to 1.2v but HWinfo still shows it at 1.3v
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Interesting video.
I think it's really the longevity of the CPUs that concerns me. These handful of owners of chips that have gone belly-up, out of millions, have been really, really unlucky I think. Especially that one where EXPO wasn't even running. Very surprised by that, was really starting to think this was exclusive to X670 chipsets.
So I put the latest BIOS for the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite (F5B) a few days ago, EXPO back on. SOC is 1.245v in HWinfo64. Tested loads of old saves that became unplayable on my old PC. Rock solid and performance is as expected. Had a couple of crashes in Win11 early on but just teething problems I think.
It's a really weird chip. Idle temps are 45º, but it'll spike to 75º - 80º for no reason. Sometimes it comes back down, sometimes not. Had to shut down to normalise temperatures last night after exiting X4 Foundations. It's as if it still thinks the game was running. But this morning, done nothing but watch that video and write this, temps are sub 50º throughout.
I think it's really the longevity of the CPUs that concerns me. These handful of owners of chips that have gone belly-up, out of millions, have been really, really unlucky I think. Especially that one where EXPO wasn't even running. Very surprised by that, was really starting to think this was exclusive to X670 chipsets.
So I put the latest BIOS for the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite (F5B) a few days ago, EXPO back on. SOC is 1.245v in HWinfo64. Tested loads of old saves that became unplayable on my old PC. Rock solid and performance is as expected. Had a couple of crashes in Win11 early on but just teething problems I think.
It's a really weird chip. Idle temps are 45º, but it'll spike to 75º - 80º for no reason. Sometimes it comes back down, sometimes not. Had to shut down to normalise temperatures last night after exiting X4 Foundations. It's as if it still thinks the game was running. But this morning, done nothing but watch that video and write this, temps are sub 50º throughout.
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I’m so ****** off with this I would return this crap if I was still within 14 days return policy.
I don’t want to run soc at 1.3v as GM showed that actuall voltage can be higher by about 0.05v and who knows if not more.
Right now I’m running with manual soc voltage.
Started at 1.23v and had a reboot after few hours of use (it rebooted when idling)
then increased it to 1.24v and again had a reboot after a while.
I’m now at 1.25v.
Should have gone Intel after all.
I don’t want to run soc at 1.3v as GM showed that actuall voltage can be higher by about 0.05v and who knows if not more.
Right now I’m running with manual soc voltage.
Started at 1.23v and had a reboot after few hours of use (it rebooted when idling)
then increased it to 1.24v and again had a reboot after a while.
I’m now at 1.25v.
Should have gone Intel after all.
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