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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

That's a shame as I really like afterburner. What are the alternatives? I have only ever used Rivatuner and afterburner.

Also years ago when I had a 5950x I remember using a program where you could test each cores individually after setting what negative offset. I can't remember the name of the program. Does anyone know the name? When I got time I am going to go through the cores one by one.
To fix the issue, you don't need to remove or stop afterburner starting.

Just uncheck GPU power monitoring from Options ==> Monitoring ==> GPU1 Power and Power % (and GPU 2 Power and Power % if you have integrated graphics too).
 
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Wait a few months for prices/availability to settle. Prior to the release of the 9800X3D, the 7800X3D represented the best price/performance proposition but its cost has risen sharply due to lack of 9800X3D availability. If it were to settle back down into the £300-329 range again then I'd say get that, otherwise get the 9800X3D. The 9800X3D is better, but not by much especially if you are gaming at 1400p or 4K. Whatever you choose you're going to have upgrade to the AMD5 platform, which means new mobo, RAM ... so not cheap.
Yeah suspect I won't be in market until middle of next year / end of summer to be honest. So can wait and see.
 
For the ones who remember seeing the burnt 9800X3D on reddit at launch, GN bought it and have finally released a video with their findings,


Shouldn't surprise anyone that TLDR user error when installing the CPU caused the issue.
I watched this earlier today.
 
I figured it out!

It turns out it is a monitor thing. I tried booting with only my second monitor plugged in via DP. No freezing. Tried with only my main monitor plugged in via HDMI 2.1. Freezing. Tried with just my main plugged in via DP. No freezing. Tried with both plugged in via DP. No freezing. So basically HDMI is out, which is fine but I lose the benefits of HDMI 2.1 against DP 1.4a (basically have to accept 8-bit + dithering over 10bit or 12bit, or cut my refresh rate to 144hz).
Further to this; during my brief dalliance with a 7900xtx this week, this issue was not present. So it does seem to be a 3080/Nvidia issue. Perhaps the xtx, having 2 HDMI ports against the 3080s 1, has a beefier controller or something.
 
What is a safe voltage for a static oc of 5.4ghz 24/7
The minimum value at which the processor is stable on 5.4Ghz. Every cpu is differend and You need to test your one to find out.
Exaple: My 9800X3D its stable on 5.5Ghz on 1.265V. For 5.4Ghz is 1.230V. The minimal value for stable will give you low temps,low temps means no problems or degradation in the future. The danger voltage for log use is 1.35V+
 
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To fix the issue, you don't need to remove or stop afterburner starting.

Just uncheck GPU power monitoring from Options ==> Monitoring ==> GPU1 Power and Power % (and GPU 2 Power and Power % if you have integrated graphics too).
This was always my issue with AMD, bugs glitches and compatability issues requiring odd solutions and tinkering.
 
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My overclocking experience with the 9800 X3D: what a bloody chip! It's good to be back to overclockable silicon after the older X3D models :D

The chip is extremely fast out of the box. Overclocking via +200 PBO boost worked right away, along -20 Curve optimiser. After a bit of fiddling -25 Curve Optimiser is fully stable with Load Line Calibration set to 3. That gives an all-core under OCCT 'Extreme' of around 5.35 GHz, IRL scenarios of loading all cores (e.g. gaming) give 5.4, and 1-4 cores sees >5.4GHz. Low load temps are 45-50, full load is 70-75 using a 280 AIO.

For anyone testing stability I recommend y-cruncher (option 2, option 14, option 0 to give a component test) as that seems to pick up AMD memory or CPU instability most quickly, which can be followed up with OCCT variable and continuous load.
 
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My overclocking experience with the 9800 X3D: what a bloody chip! It's good to be back to overclockable silicon after the older X3D models :D

The chip is extremely fast out of the box. Overclocking via +200 PBO boost worked right away, along -20 Curve optimiser. After a bit of fiddling -25 Curve Optimiser is fully stable with Load Line Calibration set to 3. That gives an all-core under OCCT 'Extreme' of around 5.35 GHz, IRL scenarios of loading all cores (e.g. gaming) give 5.4, and 1-4 cores sees >5.4GHz. Low load temps are 45-50, full load is 70-75 using a 280 AIO.

For anyone testing stability I recommend y-cruncher (option 2, option 14, option 0 to give a component test) as that seems to pick up AMD memory or CPU instability most quickly, which can be followed up with OCCT variable and continuous load.
Use Auto LLC, your board should pick the optimal setting depending on if you are running fixed voltage or auto. It changes for both, so if you are overriding and using a lower LLC, that will result in marginally lower clock speeds and performance.

Prime 95 Large FFT works well for FCLK and memory too. It’s a beastly CPU, performance scales nicely with clock speed if you remove the PBO shackles and go up to 5.7Ghz and beyond. Intel are going to have a hard time beating last gen cache for a while, Never mind this new gen. AMD facing similar on the GPU side too. :p
 
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Does anyone have any measured temperatures for the 9800x3D? Degrees C above ambient? For idle and gaming. I am just interested to know what I can expect. I have seen some numbers for this, but they all seem to disagree.
 
Use Auto LLC, your board should pick the optimal setting depending on if you are running fixed voltage or auto. It changes for both, so if you are overriding and using a lower LLC, that will result in marginally lower clock speeds and performance.

Prime 95 Large FFT works well for FCLK and memory too. It’s a beastly CPU, performance scales nicely with clock speed if you remove the PBO shackles and go up to 5.7Ghz and beyond. Intel are going to have a hard time beating last gen cache for a while, Never mind this new gen. AMD facing similar on the GPU side too. :p
Interesting, I'm running dynamic voltage, will give auto LLC a go, cheers.

How would I get up to 5.7GHz; is that a forced multiplier with overvolting and increasing the PPT, EDC and TDC?
Does anyone have any measured temperatures for the 9800x3D? Degrees C above ambient? For idle and gaming. I am just interested to know what I can expect. I have seen some numbers for this, but they all seem to disagree.
Idle 20-25 above ambient, load 45-50 above ambient. This is using an NZXT Z63 280mm AIO.
 
Idle 20-25 above ambient, load 45-50 above ambient. This is using an NZXT Z63 280mm AIO.

Valuable info! Thanks!

I have seen idle temps between 40 and 49 degrees, and gaming from 60 to 90, but this was without stating ambient ( although there were some indications that the higher temps that the ambients were close to 30 degrees). The 90, I hasten to add, was unusual, in that most people got a lot less.
 
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Interesting, I'm running dynamic voltage, will give auto LLC a go, cheers.

How would I get up to 5.7GHz; is that a forced multiplier with overvolting and increasing the PPT, EDC and TDC?

Idle 20-25 above ambient, load 45-50 above ambient. This is using an NZXT Z63 280mm AIO.
This is not posible without delid and direct die water cooling
 
Like most people, I'm getting 15-20c over ambient at idle, 35-40 over ambient at gaming and about 60c over ambient in CB23. With a D15. I'm running +200 with -33 CO.

You'll find a lot of variance due to ambient temps, different cases and different cooling solutions.
 
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Interesting, I'm running dynamic voltage, will give auto LLC a go, cheers.

How would I get up to 5.7GHz; is that a forced multiplier with overvolting and increasing the PPT, EDC and TDC?

Idle 20-25 above ambient, load 45-50 above ambient. This is using an NZXT Z63 280mm AIO.
By using ECLOCK, (ECLK) if your board supports it. Enter BIOS, enable Async ECLK, so you are only changing CPU frequency and not PCI-e lanes, memory etc.

Set 104.00 ECLK and test. Throw in a little bit of negative either curve optimiser or shaper too. The amount of ECLK you can run whilst maintaining stability will depend on your sample. See a screenshot below of me running Cyberpunk at over 5.75Ghz with a 107 ECLK.


If you run a high ECLK, like over 105, you may need to add positive curve optimiser/shaper to various parts of the voltage/frequency (V/F) curve. I recommend watching the clip below to get your started down the rabbit hole. ECLK, Curve Optimiser and now Curve Shaper are very powerful tools to manipulate the V/F curve of Zen 5 CPUs.

Here's a 10 hour Prime Large FFT run to test FCLK and Memory stability.
 
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This is not posible without delid and direct die water cooling
As stooeh noted, I'm giving temps above ambient, not absolute. Fully idle for me is about 40 degrees absolute, 45-50 absolute in light tasks, about 75 under heavy load and up to about 80 under synthetic testing.
By using ECLOCK, (ECLK) if your board supports it. Enter BIOS, enable Async ECLK, so you are only changing CPU frequency and not PCI-e lanes, memory etc.

Set 104.00 ECLK and test. Throw in a little bit of negative either curve optimiser or shaper too. The amount of ECLK you can run whilst maintaining stability will depend on your sample. See a screenshot below of me running Cyberpunk at over 5.75Ghz with a 107 ECLK.


If you run a high ECLK, like over 105, you may need to add positive curve optimiser/shaper to various parts of the voltage/frequency (V/F) curve. I recommend watching the clip below to get your started down the rabbit hole. ECLK, Curve Optimiser and now Curve Shaper are very powerful tools to manipulate the V/F curve of Zen 5 CPUs.

Here's a 10 hour Prime Large FFT run to test FCLK and Memory stability.
I see, so this is (very similar to) throwing a bit of old-fashion FSB overclocking into the mix and forcing the CPU to run at an (up to 44.5x) multiple of the ECLK?
 
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