AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[Guru]

Will the new processors slot into existing AM5 motherboards? I’ve never had AMD but I see A620, B650, B650E, X670, X870 and X870E and have absolutely no idea what any of that means, I know I want to upgrade from my aging 6700k but no clue what I need to buy, I want to spend around £4K when the new GPUs drop and get the best available CPU at that time

Make yourself a thread in the new to PC gaming & upgrade advice forum and we can do a new spec and explain what you need to know for the board choice.

I've done this now, thanks so much

 

[g67575]

It’s hard to see Intel competing with AMD in gaming without their own vcache CPUs… Beaten by 2 generations now.

Intel’s comment:
Shush

AMD’s comment:
The 9800X3D is 110% worth the £450 pricetag. We’re basically competing with ourselves. AIO cooler not required…

 

[Grim5]

Takes time to do, amd said they've been thinking about v cache since zen1, it then took 4 years before they could do it.

So from the day Intel decide they want v cache as well it will take 2-3 generations before they have it

If Intel made the decision early after seeing amd then the next architecture might contain v cache but so far there is rumours to support this. I imagine by now they must be wishing they had it - to see their latest CPUs lose to a 5800x3d is brutal

 

[Hotwired]

Still amazes me when people call this disappointing as it's "only" 10-20% faster than the 7800x3d. :/
Saw one review (from a fairly big site, think it was PCmag) that gave it 2 stars out of 5 as it wasn't a big leap over the 7800x3d, but people tend to forget the majority of people don't have a CPU from last generation, many of us are rocking hardware from years ago and this will be a massive leap, even for 4k gaming (I mean the minimum frames)

I hope most people are swayed away from it to be honest, more chance of me getting one tomorrow then.

Looked at that review: https://uk.pcmag.com/processors/155202/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d

What stood out the most to me is that they didn't use low graphics settings in testing but they did use multiple resolutions.

So 1080p to 2160p was at extreme, ultra, RT on and it's true, the averages are nothing to get out of bed for with graphics settings that people are likely to use. Even if you upscale from 1080p you're probably not doing it from 1080p low with a £500 cpu and a gpu costing 2-4x that.

2.5 Fair

Bottom Line​

Geared toward gamers, the Ryzen 7 9800X3D costs about as much as some faster Ryzen 9 CPUs. Buying a similarly performing Ryzen 7 or Intel Core Ultra 5 CPU for much less money and putting the difference toward a graphics card is a far better option.

They're not wrong but the "best means the best" story is way more attractive to print if your income relies on hype. Dunno about mentioning an Ultra 5...

Same applies to minimums as averages, TPU shows the 9800X3D having a good lead in Elden Ring at 1080p but the instant you apply RT it's matching an old i5 in minimums and averages.

The big gains live in a very questionable zone which gets a lot of attention for benchmark results. So if you say 10-20% faster than a 7800X3D, how much of that can you take with you to your gaming setup.

 

[HappySheep]

Any sign of stock in here?

 

[Joxeon]

AMD’s comment:
The 9800X3D is 110% worth the £450 pricetag. We’re basically competing with ourselves. AIO cooler not required…

It’s worth the price tag because AMD effectively price fixed the 7800X3D back up to its MSRP when it used to go for around £300 a few months ago.

No doubt it’ll be hailed as a triumph for AMD but it’s really a loss for the consumer who are getting less price to performance now than for the best part of the past year.

 

[Hostile_18]

If anyone discovers the time of release please post it here. At work this morning and it's a bit fustrating knowing it can be any time.

 

[Defy Belief]

It’s worth the price tag because AMD effectively price fixed the 7800X3D back up to its MSRP when it used to go for around £300 a few months ago.

No doubt it’ll be hailed as a triumph for AMD but it’s really a loss for the consumer who are getting less price to performance now than for the best part of the past year.

Very much this, think with your head before your wallets...the inflated 7800x3d pricing is not reflective at all and just makes the 9800x3d look better value than it actually is.

Whilst it's better, it's not 50% more expensive better.

KitGuru also said that resellers said that the £449 price tag is with almost zero margin, so expect more like £479/489.

 

[Joxeon]

If anyone discovers the time of release please post it here. At work this morning and it's a bit fustrating knowing it can be any time.

Normally 2pm

 

[Rob_B]

You really think LTT does better testing than GN?

My words were comparable/better test setups, yes I do think that in some respects.

You think LTT don't have a huge investment in people, testing tech and processess ? They literally have videos on it.
As I mentioned, they're not my go to for anything in depth but they certainly have the capacity, they just seem to choose a lighter review tone which is fine for the audience they're clearly seeking.

 

[HappySheep]

My dentist appointment is at 2pm, was tempted to cancel it

 

[Michael Durrant]

My dentist appointment is at 2pm, was tempted to cancel it

Is the orders definitely at 2pm?

 

[HappySheep]

Is the orders definitely at 2pm?

has to be i think because 7800x3d was the same and the reviews went live at 2pm yesterday

 

[Hotwired]

Is the orders definitely at 2pm?

Orders are traditionally open at 2pm. No guarantees.

 

[JediFragger]

Am sure @Gibbo will give an update just before going live, these are going to be quite the seller.

 

[Hostile_18]

9700x £310
7950x3d £550
7800x3d £399

Does this CPU still make the most sense for me with a 5090 (next year) 4k native or 4k highest quality DLSS? I'll refer to your judgements because I can't decide lol. Purely for gaming.

 

[Hostile_18]

My dentist appointment is at 2pm, was tempted to cancel it

No one you trust to order it for you? "Got your the 7600x you wanted".

 

[JollyJamma]

9700x £310
7950x3d £550
7800x3d £399

Does this CPU still make the most sense for me with a 5090 (next year) 4k native or 4k highest quality DLSS? I'll refer to your judgements because I can't decide lol. Purely for gaming.

If you are considering getting an RTX 5090, I don’t think you can consider anything other than a 7800X3D if you can’t stretch your budget to the 9800X3D.

You’d need to wait for reviews on the 5090 but given that you’d be gaming at 4K, it won’t make too much difference but I think going for anything less than the 7800X3D would impact your 1% lows.

I’d look at how the 5800X3D versus 7800X3D impacts gaming performance and take that into consideration.

 

[JollyJamma]

Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why Intel didn’t try launch an X3D like product?

I knoooow it takes ages to create a new CPU product generation and you can’t make snap changes as it’s all planned way in advance but they’ve know that X3D is a huge advantage for performance since the 5800X3D which launched in 2022 and we’ve heard nothing from Intel as far as I can tell that they have anything in the pipeline to compete.

 

[Hostile_18]

If you are considering getting an RTX 5090, I don’t think you can consider anything other than a 7800X3D if you can’t stretch your budget to the 9800X3D.

You’d need to wait for reviews on the 5090 but given that you’d be gaming at 4K, it won’t make too much difference but I think going for anything less than the 7800X3D would impact your 1% lows.

I’d look at how the 5800X3D versus 7800X3D impacts gaming performance and take that into consideration.

I already have a 7600x. I think for £50 over the 7800x3D that makes 9800x3d a lot better. I think it's the 9700x that's the most tempting competition wise.