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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
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You must have forgotten or missed all the news back then about Nvidia producing very little of their own cards for MSRP and instead selling GPUs for much higher prices to AIB producing cards for miners etc. They definitely benefited greatly on that situation and customers already forgot and forgiven, as evidenced.
It starts innocently but if it continues they find a way to profit on that situation too. Again, customers have very short memories.
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Caporegime
Not checked due to a bug in latest ageesa which adds like 8ns to Aida, but I’ll check and let you know.
"They said it wasn't stable".
They lied to you.
1.71 VDD
1.58 VDDQ
1.45 VDDIO
Nitro 1 3 1
Wow, that is insanely tight for DDR5. Cas 26 at 6600 is incredible. And GDM disabled too, jeez.
Looking forward to getting my chip and seeing how far I can push my Trident Z5’s. Suspect I will be more limited as I’m on B650E but we’ll see. I’d be incredibly happy with 6400CL28.
Caporegime
Appreciate it. Moved on to dialling in 6800 now.
Jensen was talking a lot about making sure the channel can empty first from old GPUs before they push in new ones, without price drops as that would spoil the market for new GPUs. It's been all over news at some point and they didn't even hide it. It's also a standard business practice, though I doubt AMD is doing this now as there have been prepared and it's not COVID or mining situation now. It's simply fomo and standard release schedule now, which happens often and people forget every next release.
Certainly some life left in B650E boards, I was shocked when mine booted up np with 8000.
Bit of tuning later:
Low volts 8000
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This is not a highly binned 8000 kit, just a very ordinary Teamgroup T Create 6400 2x24 M-die kit.
All at low volts, there's no fan on the sticks.
Tightened up nicely though runs through everything (so far) without a hitch.
Hynix 24M is really consistent, you'll never get the timings binned 32gb 16A kits can do, but it's always good for frequency beyond rated speeds.
Nice to do some tuning for daily "safe" settings beyond XMP / EXPO, that won't kill your hardware.
This runs at lower temps and volts than my favourite 6400 1:1 tune.
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Caporegime
???
Around 20% in 720p, real world advantage will be lower than that. No need to spread FUD
Depends on where you look, Frankly i have always found TPU's CPU benchmarks very odd, to give you an example they have a Ryzen 5600X 95% of a 12600K and near 90% the performance of a 14600K, no.... You always get the sense that TPU are trying to say they are all the same.
To say there is no appliable difference between a Ryzen 5600X and a 14600K and with that by extension an 11600K, 12600K, 13600K, a 7600K and 9600K is way off IMO.
Here is 33%.
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It all depends on the set of games. We know there are huge discrepancies between reviews of 3D parts because some games love the cache and others basically don’t care. HWU test games is more of the former and usually is close to best case scenario if you account for all the reviews. In any case, not 40%.Depends on where you look, Frankly i have always found TPU's CPU benchmarks very odd, to give you an example they have a Ryzen 5600X 95% of a 12600K and near 90% the performance of a 14600K, no.... You always get the sense that TPU are trying to say they are all the same.
To say there is no appliable difference between a Ryzen 5600X and a 14600K and with that by extension an 11600K, 12600K, 13600K, a 7600K and 9600K is way off IMO.
Here is 33%.
Caporegime
Its not 40%, but its more than 30%, whatever TPU are doing to test these CPU's what they are saying with their results is the last 5 generations of Intel CPU's are with in a 10 to 15% window, is it really that bad or do they need a larger and broader selection of games?
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Caporegime
For the record i just think they are lazy, most reviewers work at selecting a range of games and find the parts with in games that actually stress the CPU and they do this for a large selection of games, HUB for example 20 to 50 games compared to TPU's 8 to 10.
I think their selection of games is just what's popular and what they happen to have on Steam that's easy access, the parts of the game is decided by "do i have a save file?" testing CPU's gaming performance is a science and i don't think TPU care....
I think their selection of games is just what's popular and what they happen to have on Steam that's easy access, the parts of the game is decided by "do i have a save file?" testing CPU's gaming performance is a science and i don't think TPU care....
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My take with these 3D parts is to check what kind of games you like and if they truly benefit from 3D cache. If not, the 9700X is a still a hell of a chip.
Caporegime
If you don't have a 4090 and are waiting for the 5090 the 9700X is a great chip.... you don't need the best if you don't have the best GPU and are gaming at 1440P, a good mid level CPU from either side will serve you well, my 5800X is still a great fit for my RX 7800 XT at 1440P, its more than good enough for that.
That doesn't disqualify low resolution 4090 testing, i know you're not saying that but a lot of people do, its funny because this started with Bulldozer, it stopped with Zen 1 and 2, it started again with Zen 3, stopped again with Alderlake and Raptorlake, its in full swing again with Ryzen 7000 and 9000 X3D chips.
Its not that people actually think its invalid because i don't game like that, its because some people don't like seeing the opposing side to them have massive wins.
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Disqualify?
There are disingenuous ways of presenting gains and defending a testing method.
The use of games in specific low gpu modes as a benchmarking tool is not a full image gaming test. It is a a benchmarking competition first and foremost.
Referring to results from a low gpu setting outside that scenario is a lie, either out of ignorance or deception. To borrow a broad broom, a lot of people do just that.
Thankfully there are reviewers who are happy to give the broader picture rather than just the best case scenario.
There are disingenuous ways of presenting gains and defending a testing method.
The use of games in specific low gpu modes as a benchmarking tool is not a full image gaming test. It is a a benchmarking competition first and foremost.
Referring to results from a low gpu setting outside that scenario is a lie, either out of ignorance or deception. To borrow a broad broom, a lot of people do just that.
Thankfully there are reviewers who are happy to give the broader picture rather than just the best case scenario.
Caporegime
How is it a lie?
When i was weighing up a CPU in 2020 my choices were 10900K vs 5800X, most reviewers had them on par in games, TPU actually had the 10900K marginally ahead topping the charts, AnandTech used low res testing which put the 5800X consistently ahead, sometime by more than 20%, the fastest GPU at the time was the 2080 Ti, i'm still using it to this day with a GPU that's equivalent to a 3090, even a 3090 Ti the way i'm running it.
If you look at benchmarks since testing CPU's with a 3090 Ti or better you will see that even at 1440P the 5800X is consistently faster than the 10900K (no surprise to me) had i trusted the TPU results with the 10900K topping the charts simply by virtue of 2080 Ti run to run margins of error i could very easily have paid £50 more for a slower CPU.
A CPU winning at low resolution isn't going to flip and lose when you switch the load off the CPU to the GPU, they are all just going to look the same, that's a review of the GPU, not the CPU.
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I would be sceptical of any site that only lists averages and not individual games. I'd also say any site that is testing using several year old games is in no way useful information for performance for any upcoming game. If you want some reliable data on how the cpu will perform in the future look for sites testing black myth wukong since it's a unreal engine 5 game and that is probably going to be the most used game engine going forward (for example the witcher 4 will use it). If you are excited for monster hunter wilds look for Dragons Dogma 2 benchmarks since it uses the same game engine.
If you want to see 1440p/4k results on recent games, Digital Foundry has a done pretty good testing.
link is here, https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-review?page=2
Look for the resolution tab on each chart and below each chart you can choose frame rate/percentage difference.
To me it looks like even at 1440p/4k the 7800x 3d/9800x 3d are substantial improvements over any non x3d cpu depending on the game.
If you want to see 1440p/4k results on recent games, Digital Foundry has a done pretty good testing.
link is here, https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-review?page=2
Look for the resolution tab on each chart and below each chart you can choose frame rate/percentage difference.
To me it looks like even at 1440p/4k the 7800x 3d/9800x 3d are substantial improvements over any non x3d cpu depending on the game.
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Caporegime
I got ridiculed for posting these results as my justification for getting the 5800X.
www.anandtech.com
The counterargument being this.
www.techpowerup.com
Again what the hell is with the 8700K to 10900K all landing with in a 5% margin?
Now yer' can't hide this performance difference AnandTech found, that's an 8% difference even at 1440P, and somehow the 14900K now tops the chart above the 7800X3D, What? TPU CPU reviews....
www.techpowerup.com
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The counterargument being this.
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Again what the hell is with the 8700K to 10900K all landing with in a 5% margin?
Now yer' can't hide this performance difference AnandTech found, that's an 8% difference even at 1440P, and somehow the 14900K now tops the chart above the 7800X3D, What? TPU CPU reviews....
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This 1 min video has some comparisons at 4K:
Not much difference in some games but some improvement in others, though there's no 1% frame times, but obviously it should be better on the 9800X3D.
I like the look of these but I don't do any productivity tasks, are these boards okay for a gaming build?