AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[Monkeyboysteve]

I find it useful for system building. I always build a new system without the GPU, then get Windows installed and all updated before installing the GPU and drivers last.

Yeah, I think I will to. I have never had one before.
had a gpu die ages ago and system was useless for weeks until I got it back through the RMA. At least with an IGPU I could play gog games or something. Would be more than happy.

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

Yeah I'd think the actual reviews would create the FOMO. I mean the Ultra 285 sold out, but no one had FOMO for that.

Exactly. The desire for the 5080/5090 is there already. Guaranteed to sell out already without a false scarcity of stock.

All that would do is benefit scalpers who will reap the rewards. Same with this launch tbh. So many 9800x3ds on eBay already.

 

[Joxeon]

This would make sense if the product was available, when it's impossible to buy except from resellers it doesn't. It just ****** people off and makes them look elsewhere where products are actually available.

If you were about in 2020/21 you'd have seen how this went with GPU's

Stock sold out instantly and went to pre-order, scalpers got some and listed them for much more than MSRP, companies see people buy at inflated prices so decided to raise prices themselves, MSRP pre-orders got cancelled and the stock that arrived sold for much higher prices.

 

[Hotwired]

For this particular launch there's no chance they'd delay to stockpile and miss xmas even if it means retailers have to sell pre-orders into next year and twiddle their thumbs waiting for product to ship.

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

If you were about in 2020/21 you'd have seen how this went with GPU's

Stock sold out instantly and went to pre-order, scalpers got some and listed them for much more than MSRP, companies see people buy at inflated prices so decided to raise prices themselves, MSRP pre-orders got cancelled and the stock that arrived sold for much higher prices.

I was. I was someone trying to get hold of a 3080 FE for months. Then managed to get one for msrp.
Again, amd, Nvidia etc don't benefit from doing this as they don't raise the MSRP of their own product, it just angers customers.

So logically I don't understand why they think companies have low stock on purpose.

 

[Joxeon]

I was. I was someone trying to get hold of a 3080 FE for months. Then managed to get one for msrp.
Again, amd, Nvidia etc don't benefit from doing this as they don't raise the MSRP of their own product, it just angers customers.

So logically I don't understand why they think companies have low stock on purpose.

Companies control stock levels to raise the price or keep them high, look what happened to the 7800X3D over the past couple of months for example.

 

[ATIorNvidia]

While its an impressive product in isolation, its not that impressive when you're talking just an 8% uplift in nearly 2 years.

Remember when Intel were derided for bringing around 4% per year back in the mid 2010s

I think it's fine considering the additional gains it brings in non-gaming workloads.

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

Companies control stock levels to raise the price or keep them high, look what happened to the 7800X3D over the past couple of months for example.

Just Sounds like conspiracy theories, always does.
If I wanted a 7800x3d I was able to look at several retailers over the last few months and get one fairly easily. Only time I saw it out of stock was when it was on sale at insanely low prices. Which you would expect.

It also makes sense that they aren't making anywhere near as many when they ramped up production of the 9800x3d. Again why would they?

 

[Joxeon]

For this particular launch there's no chance they'd delay to stockpile and miss xmas even if it means retailers have to sell pre-orders into next year and twiddle their thumbs waiting for product to ship.

Somebody probably messed up the customs paperwork, I know people like to pin the blame on Brexit but I import stuff quite often and customs normally clears within a few minutes when everything is in order.

 

[LtMatt]

Somebody probably messed up the customs paperwork, I know people like to pin the blame on Brexit but I import stuff quite often and customs normally clears within a few minutes when everything is in order.

Wait, Joxeon has imported a 9800X3D?

 

[Joxeon]

Just Sounds like conspiracy theories, always does.
If I wanted a 7800x3d I was able to look at several retailers over the last few months and get one fairly easily. Only time I saw it out of stock was when it was on sale at insanely low prices. Which you would expect.

It also makes sense that they aren't making anywhere near as many when they ramped up production of the 9800x3d. Again why would they?

So you don't think odd that the 7800X3D which was going for around £300 a few months ago to then suddenly jump up to £450 again a couple of weeks before the 9800X3D was due to launch?

 

[Joxeon]

Wait, Joxeon has imported a 9800X3D?

No this isn't for a CPU, I have my 9800X3D on pre order with OCUK.

 

[Craig_d1]

So you don't think odd that the 7800X3D which was going for around £300 a few months ago to then suddenly jump up to £450 again a couple of weeks before the 9800X3D was due to launch?

no, no, who would ever do such a thing, esp a pc manufacturer also crap intel launch helped it along...the day intel launched and got panned in reviews I think OCuk sold over 100+ 7800x3d's i seem to remember

 

[SuperElectric]

This video says otherwise. While not amazing, he shows that even games like doom eternal, tomb raider etc are playable on it (the 9800x3d uses the same Igpu.) half life 2 was played at 1440p and had 200fps. so claiming 2d games barely run is not true in the slightest.

There's no video in your post, but I have the 7800x3d and tried gaming with it for a short time inbetween GPUs.

I got less than 30fps in Doom 2016 at 1080p low settings, to me that's not playable. Turning down the settings even further for more fps made it look horrible, so that's why I described it as "not possible".

I didn't try any tomb raider games, but assuming you're talking about the 2013 release, a quick google shows 30-40fps to be expected at 1080p. For a 2013 game, that's not great.

As for Half Life 2, that was released twenty years ago... man I feel old

I wouldn't want anyone to think that the iGPU is just 'not amazing'. It has really severe limitations and in the context of the post I was replying to, i.e. a guy wanting to try PC games while waiting for the 5090, I think my personal experience was valid and useful.

 

[Villan]

The top AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D overclock just hit 7.24 GHz on HWBOT, but also a stable 6.9 GHz that delivers literally thousands of in-game fps​

The top AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D overclock just hit 7.24 GHz on HWBOT, but also a stable 6.9 GHz that delivers literally thousands of in-game fps

Who knew moving the cache down below could be such a game-changer?

www.pcgamer.com

 

[Poneros]

Here you go.

Thanks for taking the time to do it! So much CPU performance, even with some NPC modifying mods it should hold steady for smooth high fps gaming (well, insofar as you'll be able to push HFR given pathtracing at higher resolutions, nevermind wanting more rays.. ). Think this is pretty much end-game CPU for this game now, in the past it was still a bit unsteady at times with RPL/Zen 4 that there's a little doubt about 'em but now there's pretty much no real need for more (tho ofc who would say no).

 

[matty007]

While its an impressive product in isolation, its not that impressive when you're talking just an 8% uplift in nearly 2 years.

Remember when Intel were derided for bringing around 4% per year back in the mid 2010s

Sure, but as time goes on, it gets harder and harder to eek more out of CPU performance due to the nanometer process, and the width of the transistors. It’s basic Moore law. We will never see huge improvements from gen to gen like we did in the 90’s and 2000’s because we are getting closer to the bleeding edge.

Still, I’d argue the improvement of the 9800X3D over the 7800X3D is perfectly satisfactory, and is actually quite substantial in some titles, and also in productivity.

You’re also perhaps overlooking the most important feature of this new cpu by some distance…the ability to overclock. There has already been some very substantial overclocks which will make quite a large difference to the performance.

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

There's no video in your post, but I have the 7800x3d and tried gaming with it for a short time inbetween GPUs.

I got less than 30fps in Doom 2016 at 1080p low settings, to me that's not playable. Turning down the settings even further for more fps made it look horrible, so that's why I described it as "not possible".

I didn't try any tomb raider games, but assuming you're talking about the 2013 release, a quick google shows 30-40fps to be expected at 1080p. For a 2013 game, that's not great.

As for Half Life 2, that was released twenty years ago... man I feel old

I wouldn't want anyone to think that the iGPU is just 'not amazing'. It has really severe limitations and in the context of the post I was replying to, i.e. a guy wanting to try PC games while waiting for the 5090, I think my personal experience was valid and useful.

Link must have been removed. But many YouTube videos showing that it's a capable IGPU for basic gaming. But ofc 30-40fps is playable, and no, it was shadow of tomb raider at 1080p.
It's an IGPU, it's not going to be 120fps at 4k, but you claimed games weren't playable at all, even 2d games were barely playable. That's just beyond exaggerating.

Yes half life 2 is an old game, but so what? The fact this can run it at 200fps at 1440p shows that it's not useless and if you had to use it while a dedicated card was out of action or something then it could do a good job.

Not just for "barely playable 2d games"

 

[MissChief]

If you were about in 2020/21 you'd have seen how this went with GPU's

Stock sold out instantly and went to pre-order, scalpers got some and listed them for much more than MSRP, companies see people buy at inflated prices so decided to raise prices themselves, MSRP pre-orders got cancelled and the stock that arrived sold for much higher prices.

Pre- scalped for your convenience!

 

[TrojanWhore]

Lets all ring up Customs and be nice to them

If they're anything like the DVLA, you can expect a response in 6-10 months time