AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

Bidley · Monday at 10:29

I'm running a 5700x and have an order in for a 9800X3D. I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk recently and my GPU (3080 12gb) is waiting for my CPU in congested areas according to Presentmon. I'm playing at 3440x1440. I didn't think I would have a CPU bottleneck in those conditions but there we go. I also play a lot of sims so the uplift will be beneficial for me. Like always, it will depend on the games you play.

Monkeyboysteve · Monday at 10:29

OverDrive said:
This is what I have been wondering as I have a 5800X3D. I'm going to wait to see a few more benchmarks/reviews, my main game is MS Flight Simulator 2020 (soon to be 2024). I am about to upgrade to a 4K monitor too, so will be becoming more GPU bound anyway I imagine. Although flight simulators have always been more CPU intensive. The 3D V-Cache has proven to be very beneficial in FS2020.

This was partly what sparked my upgrade too. cannot wait for MSFS2024. I have heard that the 3d V-cache is a huge upgrade for flight sims, I am coming from a 3700x which struggled at times with 2020, sooo stuttery. Decided to get the full 64gb ram that i2024 recommended as well because... why not.

Even got a new Honeycombe throttle and some saitek flight panels etc all ready to go for when it launches.

parisv · Monday at 10:31

opethdisciple said:
Yes it's easy to look at the benchmarks and be wowed by the 9800x3d. But at 4k the difference between a 5800x3d and the 9800x3d isn't that wide considering the costs involved to do the upgrade.

A 5800x3d is still a great chip and easily capable of powering the latest titles.

Even the Nvidia 5000 series I should* skip. So far a 4080 is handling 4k just fine with DLSS.

Unless vram requirements or something else changes that needs a 5000 series card I think I should be skipping the 5000 series.

But that's what I said about my 3080. The only reason I upgraded was because of the vram. 10gb was becoming an issue even at 1440p.

But to bring this back to CPUs, if I did opt for a new 5000 series GPU I wouldn't want to pair it with my older platform so an upgrade would start to get very expensive when everything is performing just fine.

How many more years does AM5 have? How many more cpu launches?

AM6 can't be round the corner yet surely?

Zen 6 will run on am5

xaldub · Monday at 10:34

Bidley said:
I'm running a 5700x and have an order in for a 9800X3D. I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk recently and my GPU (3080 12gb) is waiting for my CPU in congested areas according to Presentmon. I'm playing at 3440x1440. I didn't think I would have a CPU bottleneck in those conditions but there we go. I also play a lot of sims so the uplift will be beneficial for me. Like always, it will depend on the games you play.

If you want all the RT/PT features on, and close to max, the 3080 is going to hold you back, too. There is quite a big jump up in performance with the RTX 4000 series cards, especially with DLSS 3. CP2077 is demanding on both CPU and GPU.

xaldub · Monday at 10:38

Moving to a 3D V-cache chip ( a 3900X to 5800X3D ) literally doubled my FPS in MSFS2020. Whether this holds true for MSFS2024 remains to be seen.

parisv · Monday at 10:42

xaldub said:
If you want all the RT/PT features on, and close to max, the 3080 is going to hold you back, too. There is quite a big jump up in performance with the RTX 4000 series cards, especially with DLSS 3. CP2077 is demanding on both CPU and GPU.

Yeah I have 3090 but will wait for 5000 series, I want path tracing and the real life mod at 7680x2160

Bidley · Monday at 10:45

xaldub said:
If you want all the RT/PT features on, and close to max, the 3080 is going to hold you back, too. There is quite a big jump up in performance with the RTX 4000 series cards, especially with DLSS 3. CP2077 is demanding on both CPU and GPU.

Yeah no doubt, I didn't mean to say that my CPU is the magic bullet to unlock boundless performance. Just that, despite what I might think, my CPU can hold back even a mid-range card at high resolutions (in that one game anyway). I was planning a GPU upgrade when 50 series/RDNA 4 comes around, which is the main reason for upgrading now (well, that and my long service award from work). It's just nice to know I'll get some more life out of my 3080.

Solaris · Monday at 10:45

I found my 5800X3D struggles to keep up with MSFS2020.

But I fly with a lot of add-on software.

PMDG 777-300ER or Fenix A320
Active Sky
Volanta
Vatsim
Extra plane models
Extra scnery
Etc

It all puts pressure on the CPU and stops the GPU from being able to stretch it's legs.

uscool · Monday at 10:59

Stu999 · Monday at 11:00

@uscool - beat me to it by literally a second.

Monkeyboysteve · Monday at 11:07

parisv said:
Yeah I have 3090 but will wait for 5000 series, I want path tracing and the real life mod at 7680x2160

Same. Just took close to the potential release of the 5000 series to buy a 4000 series for me now. My 3080 will be fine for now. Just a few months till release if rumours are true.
(then another 6 months after that until there is actually stock lol)

Monkeyboysteve · Monday at 11:11

uscool said:

Saw a few comments on Reddit urging people to buy arrow lake because "9800x3d is a disappointment, it can only handle gaming at 1080p according to reviews"

I can't tell if they were trolling or just have no idea about... Well lots of things. Lol.

Game · Monday at 11:13

Monkeyboysteve said:
Exactly. I swear people forget there are processors older than the one they own. lol. Saw one reviewer claim "whats the point of this? yes it's faster than the 7800x3d, but no one should be upgrading from that to this, just throwing their money away" but countless millions of people don't have that CPU. :/

loads of people like me now on a 4-6 year cycle looking to upgrade due to covid timings lots of them bought at the same time

he is right people on a 7800x3d should not be wasting there money but each to his own

Temp.sgk · Monday at 11:15

Bidley said:
I'm running a 5700x and have an order in for a 9800X3D. I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk recently and my GPU (3080 12gb) is waiting for my CPU in congested areas according to Presentmon. I'm playing at 3440x1440. I didn't think I would have a CPU bottleneck in those conditions but there we go. I also play a lot of sims so the uplift will be beneficial for me. Like always, it will depend on the games you play.

Why not get 5700X3D instead and put that money towards a better GPU?

opethdisciple · Monday at 11:16

Monkeyboysteve said:
Saw a few comments on Reddit urging people to buy arrow lake because "9800x3d is a disappointment, it can only handle gaming at 1080p according to reviews"

I can't tell if they were trolling or just have no idea about... Well lots of things. Lol.

They are probably just bitter Intel fan bois.

opethdisciple · Monday at 11:21

parisv said:
Zen 6 will run on am5

I see online the expected release dates for Zen 6 is late 2026 early 2027.

Are you telling me there will not be any new CPU's that replace the 9800x3d from AMD launching in 2025?

Seems like an awfully long gap.

chrisssj2 · Monday at 11:27

Joxeon said:
Any noticeable difference in games at 4k?

Joxeon · Monday at 11:33

chrisssj2 said:

DLSS balanced is effectively 1250p so obviously the gains are similar to 1080p

Bidley · Monday at 11:37

Temp.sgk said:
Why not get 5700X3D instead and put that money towards a better GPU?

Because I'll still be on AM4 and likely be looking to upgrade again far sooner than I will if I jump to AM5 and 9000. Also new GPUs are around the corner. And 5700X3D is barely worth the outlay against a 5700X.

parisv · Monday at 11:39

uscool said:

Around 31 mins in shows the importance for those planning to upgrade to the next gen gpu ie 5000 series. Where games are no longer GPU bound the X3D performs a lot better than 2 years ago