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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

ComputerBase have a locked to 4.8GHz article:
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AMD Ryzen 9000X(3D) vs. 7000X(3D) bei 4,8 GHz im Vergleich

Warum ist der AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D in Spielen im Vergleich zum 7800X3D schneller als gedacht? Benchmarks bei gleichem Takt geben Antwort.
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Still seeing around +11% frame times with the 7800X3D Vs 9800X3D.

Power is worse though... Average is 62W Vs 57W. Worse but that's almost a margin of error.

EDIt: Mind you if the difference is still 11% at equal clocks, they maybe the 9800X3D cloud be clocked down without losing more than 1-2% or so.
 
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Trox said:
I think it’s more necessary for the people that are intending on picking up the soon to be released 5090 to know it’s headroom.
If you intend to stick with with the same graphics card, then not so much
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Ah the old future proofing line? ;)

My 2080Ti was worth it “cuz future proofing”
Rushes out to buy a 3090 and declares it was worth it “cuz future proofing”.
Rushes out to buy a 4090 and declares it worth it “cuz future proofing”
 
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ICDP said:
I don’t care how often Steve or any other tech bro tell me “real world” doesn’t count. I’m not wasting money on a new CPU if it isn’t giving me real world performance improvement TODAY.

Edit: before someone tries to tell me “you obviously don’t get it”. I do get it, lower settings shows CPU overhead. But for real world it’s far better to get on an upgrade cycle every 3 or preferably 4 generations. That way the benefits are actually realised rather n real world gaming.
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There’s almost always improvements with upgrading. It just depends if you want gradual improvements gen on gen vs lowering settings/dwindling performance gradually over a few years and then a huge upgrade. Same thing, different method.

I am picking up a 5090, and this CPU will flex its muscles more with that. And the 7800X3D vs 9800X3D uplift is actually fairly substantial already in some titles, and in productivity.

If you also plan on overclocking the 9800X3D, which you can’t do on the 7800X3D, you could be looking at over a 25% performance uplift in some circumstances. Perhaps more depending on clocks and your specific chip.

That’s before we discuss that this CPU should allow for higher RAM overclocks.
 
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ICDP said:
Edit: before someone tries to tell me “you obviously don’t get it”. I do get it, lower settings shows CPU overhead. But for real world it’s far better to get on an upgrade cycle every 3 or preferably 4 generations. That way the benefits are actually realised rather n real world gaming.
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I agree

For 4k gaming and especially if you are not a gamer that needs as many frames as possible (single player only for example)

You are far better off saving the money you would have spent on CPU upgrades over 3-4 years and putting that on the top tier GPU release every 2 years.

My CPU is 2 years old, but it supports PCIE 5.0

My 4090 FE is 2 years old as well

I won't be upgrading my CPU any time soon.

It is however, very likely I'll get a 5090 on release.
 
matty007 said:
It will cost me slightly more than it should have done due to the customs issues delay which will saturate the market with more 7800X3D’s, but it’s still a small outlay for an upgrade.
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I think the point is that its not really an upgrade over a 7800X3D and if it is then you've probably had your setting dialled in wrong.
 
I see this is back on "Pre order" now on OCUK

Ignore, says Pre order in basket\Wish list but says notify me when on the product page
 
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I upgraded from 1700 to 3700x because it didn't really cost much money to do that at the time with the resale value. I also upgraded from a 1070 to a Vega 56 for about £30 then upgraded to a 3070 for about £60 so got lucky a bit with the sellers market. I think the 9800x3d is worth £100-£150 more than the 7800x3d, and I wouldn't have bought the 7800x3d for £300-320 even if it was still for sale at that currently. So upgrading for a similar outlay is quite reasonable.
 
matty007 said:
There’s almost always improvements with upgrading. It just depends if you want gradual improvements gen on gen vs lowering settings/dwindling performance gradually over a few years and then a huge upgrade. Same thing, different method.

I am picking up a 5090, and this CPU will flex its muscles more with that. And the 7800X3D vs 9800X3D uplift is actually fairly substantial already in some titles, and in productivity.

If you also plan on overclocking the 9800X3D, which you can’t do on the 7800X3D, you could be looking at over a 25% performance uplift in some circumstances. Perhaps more depending on clocks and your specific chip.

That’s before we discuss that this CPU should allow for higher RAM overclocks.
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I am using 32GB RAm Kingston Fury KF564C32-16 6400 xmp sticks. and since the 7700 not able to run it on 6400.. Asus tuf x670 e plus
I tried on the 9800x3d and applied DOCP 1 and enabled 6400 mhz from the dropdown box. And it boots but eventually my gpu will crash and display will stay on blackscreen.
With nlvdmm errors in the logbook when i reboot.
It is really annoying i can't seem to run these sticks at advertized speeds.
 
Joxeon said:
I think the point is that its not really an upgrade over a 7800X3D and if it is then you've probably had your setting dialled in wrong.
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Anything is an upgrade. Just depends how much you consider it an uplift vs price outlay.

The 0.1 and 1% improvement with this chip at 1440p high refresh is actually fairly substantial in many titles. And as said, the ability to overclock should not be overlooked.I have seen this chip pushed quite far, even on AIO/Air.

As said, everyone has a different opinion. Neither is actually right or wrong, and depends on individual circumstances.

I’m more than happy to pay a small amount to upgrade to this with selling my 7800X3D, due to the points I’ve already stated, and knowing that I intend to upgrade to a 5090, which should utilise it even further.
 
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But why move from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D on the basis of a 5090.... the smartest thing to do would be to wait for the 5090 to come out and then make a decision. 9800X3D will proberly be cheeper then also.

Weird this shift into its all about the 1% lows and the potential 5090...
 
VincentHanna said:
You are far better off saving the money you would have spent on CPU upgrades over 3-4 years and putting that on the top tier GPU release every 2 years.
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In a world of top tier GPUs costing >$1200 you're not "far better off" saving on CPU costs even if you pocketed the difference (f.ex x60 vs x80 3D of any generation) every year for 10y. Top tier CPUs are dirt cheap comparatively. It never makes sense to skimp on the CPU unless you're just broke.
 
Poneros said:
In a world of top tier GPUs costing >$1200 you're not "far better off" saving on CPU costs even if you pocketed the difference (f.ex x60 vs x80 3D of any generation) every year for 10y. Top tier CPUs are dirt cheap comparatively. It never makes sense to skimp on the CPU unless you're just broke.
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I don't think using a 2 year old CPU is "skimping" though

You might.
 
G J said:
But why move from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D on the basis of a 5090.... the smartest thing to do would be to wait for the 5090 to come out and then make a decision. 9800X3D will proberly be cheeper then also.

Weird this shift into its all about the 1% lows and the potential 5090...
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At high refresh, 0.1 and 1% lows are actually quite important… And even at 4K, the difference in those lows and average can make the difference between a constant 60+fps, and not. At higher refresh, it can make the difference between maxing your monitor or not.

As good as the 7800X3D is, the 5090 absolutely WILL be held back by it, and particularly at 1440p high refresh.

As said, everyone is different. If you’re someone that holds onto components and doesn’t sell them for max resale, and is happy to upgrade every few years, that’s absolutely fine. Other people do it differently.

If I hold on to the 7800X3D until after the 5090 comes out, I lose money on the 7800X3D which will totally offset any potential lower price there ‘may’ be on the 9800X3D next year. It makes no difference.

To be perfectly honest, the 5090 consideration is actually lower on my list. I want the upgrade to 9800X3D because it will cost me a relatively small amount, will allow me to overclock (which is just fun), will improve my frames and lows at 1440p high refresh, very slightly at 4K (although can be notable in some titles) and will improve productivity for the certain times I need it.
 
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