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Amd takes away another Nvidia sponsored title

Zernath said:
I was saying the same thing about all the Steam exclusives we've had for the past... decade? People have short memories when it comes to Valve and their business practices it seems. :rolleyes:
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Yep. Same comments against EPIC today, are written back for Steam not that long ago......
 
Random Guy Esq. said:
Has Valve ever demanded exclusivity on their platform? Genuinely interested in the answer to this.
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It is because this is AMD sponsored it suddenly does not matter. If it were Nvidia sponsored it would matter. Remember when Epic was putting all the Nvidia Gameworks stuff at an engine level,they were bad,but now they are good LOL.Its not only games being pulled off Steam,its GOG too,and by extension Linux too.

This is the tune the Epic CEO was singing a few years ago slagging off Microsoft game store as a threat to gaming:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war

Epic CEO in 2016 said:
With its new Universal Windows Platform (UWP) initiative, Microsoft has built a closed platform-within-a-platform into Windows 10, as the first apparent step towards locking down the consumer PC ecosystem and monopolising app distribution and commerce.
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They’re curtailing users’ freedom to install full-featured PC software, and subverting the rights of developers and publishers to maintain a direct relationship with their customers.


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Valve’s Steam distribution service is booming with over 100m users, and publishers like Adobe, Autodesk, Blizzard, Riot Games and EA are operating highly successful businesses selling their games and content directly to consumers.

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But the good PC stuff isn’t there, with the exception of Microsoft’s own software products. Does Microsoft really think that independent PC developers and publishers, who cherish their freedom and their direct customer relationships, are going to sign up for this current UWP fiasco?

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Why We Fight
As the founder of a major Windows game developer and technology supplier, this is an op-ed I hoped I would never feel compelled to write. But Epic has prided itself on providing software directly to customers ever since I started mailing floppy disks in 1991. We wouldn’t let Microsoft close down the PC platform overnight without a fight, and therefore we won’t sit silently by while Microsoft embarks on a series of sneaky manoeuvres aimed at achieving this over a period of several years.

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Microsoft’s intentions must be judged by Microsoft’s actions, not Microsoft’s words. Their actions speak plainly enough: they are working to turn today’s open PC ecosystem into a closed, Microsoft-controlled distribution and commerce monopoly, over time, in a series of steps of which we’re seeing the very first. Unless Microsoft changes course, all of the independent companies comprising the PC ecosystem have a decision to make: to oppose this, or cede control of their existing customer relationships and commerce to Microsoft’s exclusive control.
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What a difference a few years and Tencent's backing makes?

Now,this year he said the following:
https://www.thegamer.com/epic-boss-says-developers-win-game-store-wars-not-consumers/

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Tim Sweeney, the founder of Epic Games, has declared that Epic Games will win the battle for best digital storefront based on its relationship with developers, not with customers.
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So that means he wants Epic Store to win over Steam,GOG,Origin,UPlay,Window store,Desura,etc.

A few years previously he was moaning that Microsoft would start selling games,and "be the only store" and that would be bad for PC gaming. Now he is saying he wants his store to win over everything else with consumers not being involved.

If he has an attitude like that he can do one.

Consumers will decide who wins the game store wars,and whether there is more than one,not the CEO of some games company,backed by Tencent,the same company deeply involved in the social credit system in China.
 
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Random Guy Esq. said:
Yeah, pretty sure you quoted the wrong person there!
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AFAIK,Valve hasn't hence why there are multiple stores from other companies,but I was pointing how the Epic CEO himself was going to newspapers like the Guardian under 3 years ago as a "consumer champion" just because Microsoft was setting up their own store and he accused them of trying to "curtailing users’ freedom to install full-featured PC software" and where was all the "competition was good" back then here?

Now a few years later,he has basically said consumer choice won't determine who uses what service,people LIKE HIM will decide it.

He went from exclusivity is BAD(saying Microsoft would do this) to it being GOOD when he was the one doing it and wanting his store to win.

nashathedog said:
A) Being possible to cut pricing's just hot air because they don't cut the price, Metro Exodus on Epic costs exactly what it did on Steam.
B) I'm not interested in the politic's, my concern is what it means for me & I already have too many digital platforms I didn't want another.
C) If not buying through a digital store was always possible I would only buy physical copies of games.
D) I'd prefer to have all my Metro games on the same platform.
E) I'm not really into multiplayer titles I like single player campaigns.
F) This suprises me, they're DRM free then?
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The whole store is half baked - I could even believe how **** it was installing it on another PC.

I even expected it would be closer to Origin,not even that.

Moreover,the Epic store does not have basic features like cloud saves and a basket(it will be coming soon). Its feature set is worse than the Twitch and Discord game stores. They have had massive security issues affecting millions of accounts:

https://mashable.com/article/fortnite-vulnerability-patched-epic-games/?europe=true
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fortnite-security-flaw-exposed-millions-of-users-to-being-hacked/

Nearly 10 milllion accounts breached this year due to a 2004 vulnerability. So what this offer the end user over Steam,GOG,Origin,etc??

It offers nothing - it has less features,less security,was scanning stuff it shouldn't,apparently has terms and conditions which break GDPR,and isn't even cheaper to boot.

As much as I am happy for AMD to show off Navi with BL3,I would rather they got in bed with CDPR and Cyberpunk 2077. GOG really needs a boost,last year they made under £50000,so dunno how long they will be viable for.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is because this is AMD sponsored it suddenly does not matter. If it were Nvidia sponsored it would matter. Remember when Epic was putting all the Nvidia Gameworks stuff at an engine level,they were bad,but now they are good LOL.Its not only games being pulled off Steam,its GOG too,and by extension Linux too.
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AMD doesn't publish the game, 2K does.
Metro Exodus is a heavily Nvidia sponsored game, but is EPIC exclusive also. And in it's case had to be pulled from Steam altogether.
 
Zernath said:
I was saying the same thing about all the Steam exclusives we've had for the past... decade? People have short memories when it comes to Valve and their business practices it seems. :rolleyes:
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Valve has massive mindshare. They have millions of mindless slaves, even though Steam has been lacklustre in recent years imo. The sales went down the toilet after they were forced to introduce refunds and the store is full of junk and early access/broken crap.
I cant remember the last game ive bought directly from Steam, even on sales cdkey sites are still cheaper. I miss flash sales.
 
Jesus, the whole steam vs other platforms things is embarrassing, not that long ago you installed every game separately and just put a short cut to everything in the same place, be that start menu or put them all in a folder, whatever. You take 5 seconds to open epic instead of steam then open a game... omg, the world has ended. It's more convenient to have all games in steam? Good god people, get over yourselves and your fanboyism. Do people not open different applications because they have to click on a different part of the start menu... omg, windows explorer is a different location to admin tools, not convenient, I won't use it. ffs, you press a button the list of games shows up and you load the game you want. Unless your steam window is literally somehow magically on top of every other window at all times regardless of what you do, you still have to click on steam to get to the list of games. There is absolutely no difference. Click, click, game loading.... when people talk about first world problems, this is the kind of crap they mean.


As others have said, competition is better for the consumer, Valve are the 'enemy' really. Their AAA game pricing is horrendous and has been for years, their new game pricing is horrendous, most of their sale pricing is crap these days, they exist to sell you games you'll never play by conning you into a deal that can't be missed. All so you use what is a simple platform that they get an extortionate cut for something that costs a tiny fraction of their income to provide. THey are insanely profitable while providing very little top notch content themselves any more. The push towards tradable items, stores, monetisation has all been terrible for gaming and Valve have been on the forefront of those things.

I've have a lot more respect for Valve if they stuck to their roots and also provided a good cheap to use platform for selling/distributing games. Instead they pretty much killed off their real games, started charging through the teeth to devs precisely because they were basically a monopoly on digital distribution.
 
AMD have really been picking their games to back well recently, and long may it continue with this! A strong combined cpu/gpu optimisation must be a draw for games developers :cool:

I'll be buying this :)
 
You both seem to be missing my point, I don't want these games to be Steam exclusives, I don't want any single platform controlling game distribution rights.

Panos said:
All "EPIC exclusives" are for the first year. You can wait until next year to be on Steam.
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A years a long time in the game world & I'm not interested in paying full price for a game that's technically no longer new.

Panos said:
As for DRM free, in the case of Phoenix Point yes. Idk about Metro, but Anno, Division and Red Dead 2 have their own DRM platforms on top.
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By Red Dead 2 do you mean Red Dead Redemption 2? I didn't know that was coming to PC, Where did you hear that?

Zernath said:
I was saying the same thing about all the Steam exclusives we've had for the past... decade? People have short memories when it comes to Valve and their business practices it seems. :rolleyes:
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I don't like exclusives Period, we had another type of exclusive issue with Rise of the Tomb Raider where Microsoft made that a Xbox timed exclusive. If someone wants to keep their own game franchise in house that's up to them but buying up games that have previously been platform generic isn't on. I don't like what we're seeing here with the Metro series being pulled from the Steam platform at the last minute with no warning,

Steam no longer dominating the digital distribution market is a good thing but not when another platform is attempting to take it's place with one year exclusivity deals.

@CAT-THE-FIFTH Interesting stuff, Cheers.

@drunkenmaster You're missing the point too.
 
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nashathedog said:
By Red Dead 2 do you mean Red Dead Redemption 2? I didn't know that was coming to PC, Where did you hear that?
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Steam no longer dominating the digital distribution market is a good thing but not when another platform is attempting to take it's place with one year exclusivity deals.
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Is all over the internet here is a link
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/65492/red-dead-redemption-2-epic-games-store-exclusive/index.html

The announcement will reportedly happen on April 22 at 9AM PST, with RDR2 releasing onto the Epic Games Store on July 9. The post claims that Take-Two Interactive, the publisher of GTA/RDR inked a deal with Epic that would see them take 100% of the profits from any additional content for RDR2, compared to the 30% cut that Steam takes. This is reportedly enough for Take-Two to ink the deal.
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Also this one is not going to be timed exclusive but full lifetime. So no Steam for this game ever.

And if Take Two can strike such deal, I bet more companies will follow to EPIC lifetime exclusives. If they sell their DLCs at 100% profit and not 70%.
 
Panos said:
Is all over the internet here is a link
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/65492/red-dead-redemption-2-epic-games-store-exclusive/index.html



Also this one is not going to be timed exclusive but full lifetime. So no Steam for this game ever.

And if Take Two can strike such deal, I bet more companies will follow to EPIC lifetime exclusives. If they sell their DLCs at 100% profit and not 70%.
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That may or may not be true, The article you posted states that the info came as a leak from an anonymous source, I wouldn't be surprised if it did come to PC as the console masses seemed to lose interest in it pretty quickly but even so you need to differentiate between what's fact & what's not. Anonymous leaks are not facts & even if it does release on PC that doesn't mean the leak was genuine, half the leaks we tend to see could be guessed at by anyone, even those with limited knowledge on the topic.

uroboros said:
Just think, only buy games on the Epic store and HL3 will be out in a couple of years ;)
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I wondered about that too.
 
For me and maybe this is just me? I really lose track of what games I have. Steam, UBI, Origin, GOG makes it a nightmare keeping track already and add another one and man, it starts getting harder. I personally have no issue about what game launcher it is on but when will it end? 10 more? 20 more?
 
We've had vendor exclusive gfx IQ for years getting less prime time conversation than store fronts...


Steam can launch every game in your PC anyway.
 
Zernath said:
Virtually all PC games, until publishers started creating their own launchers. Do you not remember the years when every PC game, even physical copies, was a Steam game?
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I don't remember them as exclusives as such. I do remember that no other company stepped up for electronic distribution. Valve as far as I know has never signed an exclusive contract for games, it goes against the company ethos.
 
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