AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X

[humbug]

Depends if what you found was actually true or not or subject to opinion lol

We know AMD's CPU have better power consumption, we know they have better thermals, they have 20 more PCIe lanes wich for workstations does matter, we know they have ECC compatible memory where as the i9's don't, that matters for servers.
We know in heavy workloads the 1950X is faster.

There are plenty of professional reviewers out there who like the feel of threadripper.

So without even owning it we know it has a lot going for it, it has more going for it than Intel's chips.

So why should we be prohibited from concluding its better?

 

[Silent_Scone]

We know AMD's CPU have better power consumption

Yes

we know they have better thermals

To a point, stock for stock this is of no importance. Once we open the envelope, things get interesting and a barrier is often reached on mainstream cooling on both systems. The difference being, there is a lot more benefit to breaching this barrier on SKL-X, as it actually overclocks quite well.

They have 20 more PCIe lanes wich for workstations does matter, we know they have ECC compatible memory where as the i9's don't, that matters for servers

So you are saying you need in excess of 60 PCIE lanes for a workstation? Perhaps you can find me some evidence of multitudes of users asking for more than 40 lanes on an enthusiast platform. ECC support, is a bonus, yes. But then will you buy ECC memory, or will you overclock it? No. On the subject of memory, you're aware SKL-E is capable of 4133Mhz in quad channel, quite a bit higher than TR.

We know in heavy workloads the 1950X is faster.

Faster than? You'll need to be more specific. A 1950X is faster than a 7900X in heavily multithreaded work loads. Of course it is, it has 6 more cores and 12 more threads. Does a bear crap in the woods? If we move up Intel's revised SKU ladder, we'll find a 16 core part there, too. And guess what, it's faster.

There are plenty of professional reviewers out there who like the feel of threadripper.

Not sure what liking the feel means, I don't tend to feel my CPU too much. Once it's in, it's in. Ryzen offers exceptional value, the ultimate question I'm asking you is, is it faster? No. Not when we look at the entire product stack. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone given what we know about Zen.

Encompassing everything, what part of any of this results in Intel quaking in their boots? I can only think that you're fixating on one particular point, as that simple isn't the case. If it was, I'd be buying TR right now. As would all of 8-Packs customers.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

If we move up Intel's revised SKU ladder, we'll find a 16 core part there, too. And guess what, it's faster.

You keep saying this. Have I missed a review of the 7960X?

 

[humbug]

Yes

To a point, stock for stock this is of no importance. Once we open the envelope, things get interesting and a barrier is often reached on mainstream cooling on both systems. The difference being, there is a lot more benefit to breaching this barrier on SKL-X, as it actually overclocks quite well.

Only if pull the Heat Spreader off it, even then its still not as fast as the 1950X without overclocking that, it BTW also overclocks.

So you are saying you need in excess of 60 PCIE lanes for a workstation? Perhaps you can find me some evidence of multitudes of users asking for more than 40 lanes on an enthusiast platform.

SkyLake-x has 44 PCIe lanes, Threadripper 64, one GPU requires 16 PCIe lanes, so how many GPU's or a mixture of GPU's and NVMe drives can you run on each platform before you saturate your IO?

ECC support, is a bonus, yes. But then will you buy ECC memory, or will you overclock it?

If you're running ECC Memory you're doing it because you're running servers, you do not overclock servers, ever, this is utterly moot.

On the subject of memory, you're aware SKL-E is capable of 4133Mhz in quad channel, quite a bit higher than TR.

Overclocked yes at the extreme end, It make little to no difference to its performance.

Faster than? You'll need to be more specific. A 1950X is faster than a 7900X in heavily multithreaded work loads. Of course it is, it has 6 more cores and 12 more threads.

You answered your own question.

If we move up Intel's revised SKU ladder, we'll find a 16 core part there, too. And guess what, it's faster.

Is it? can you point me to where you learned that?
Even if it is, which i doubt at least to anything more than a token amount it is a higher end more expensive part, so what? AMD have another 16 Cores to use if they so chose, thats 8 more than Intel on any singular platform.

Not sure what liking the feel means, I don't tend to feel my CPU too much. Once it's in, it's in. Ryzen offers exceptional value, the ultimate question I'm asking you is, is it faster? No.

They liked the CPU, the opposite of dislike, nothing to do with value, i have never understood that argument anyway, the 1950X is £999, thats £140 more than the 7900X, the 'cost' "value chip" here is the 7900X. the 1950X is just plain much better, the price reflects that.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Only if pull the Heat Spreader off it, even then its still not as fast as the 1950X without overclocking that, it BTW also overclocks.

Great start, first line in and you're already spreading misinformation. Pretty much sums up everything thus far, right? Skylake-X overclocks quite well without removing the stock TIM, even better without. Why don't you ask OCUK, maybe you know better than them, too?

SkyLake-x has 44 PCIe lanes, Threadripper 64, one GPU requires 16 PCIe lanes, so how many GPU's or a mixture of GPU's and NVMe drives can you run on each platform before you saturate your IO?

That doesn't answer my question, is that a GCSE math question? How many PCIE drives do you think people run on this platform, further more, just how many expansion slots can you fit on an E-ATX motherboard lol. Certainly won't be used for GPU much into the future, not sure if you read the comments regarding Crossfire being dropped?

If you're running ECC Memory you're doing it because you're running servers, you do not overclock servers, ever, this is utterly moot.

There's another platform already available for that, I think you might be confused as to whom this platform is targeting. Let's just go along with the fact you think overclocking is entirely moot, then.

Overclocked yes at the extreme end, It make little to no difference to its performance.

Faster, though. Faster is better. Enthusiasts like faster. I like faster, faster is simply great.

 

[humbug]

Great start, first line in and you're already spreading misinformation. Pretty much sums up everything thus far, right? Skylake-X overclocks quite well without removing the stock TIM, even better without. Why don't you ask OCUK, maybe you know better than them, too?

We will just have to disagree on that very subjective point then.

That doesn't answer my question, is that a GCSE math question? How many PCIE drives do you think people run on this platform, further more, just how many expansion slots can you fit on an E-ATX motherboard lol. Certainly won't be used for GPU much into the future, not sure if you read the comments regarding Crossfire being dropped?

CrossFire? you don't put 3 or 4 GPU's in a work station because you are playing games, you do it because you get massive amounts of compute power.

There's another platform already available for that, I think you might be confused as to whom this platform is targeting. Let's just go along with the fact you think overclocking is entirely moot, then.

Xeon and EPYC, much to Intel's frustration you don't need them if you get Threadripper, unless you are willing to pay for the extra cores, untill if or when AMD make a 24 Core, or more, Threadripper with ECC, then any Xeon is pointless.
Now take a stab at guessing why Intel disables ECC on all their HEDT line.

Faster, though. Faster is better. Enthusiasts like faster. I like faster, faster is simply great.

Enthusiasts tend to want better, faster and moooaaaar. you're a fake Enthusiasts.

 

[Doobedoo]

Will the real enthusiast please stand up

 

[humbug]

Will the real enthusiast please stand up

lol...

 

[Silent_Scone]

We will just have to disagree on that very subjective point then.

Oh dear. So 4.7 to 4.8 on the stock TIM? Not something that you find overly impressive? Hate to hear what you think (or feel) about TR's overclocking range

CrossFire? you don't put 3 or 4 GPU's in a work station because you are playing games, you do it because you get massive amounts of compute power.

Right. You're not getting it. Take the Zeneth Extreme, a high end X399 board. The motherboard layout allows you to occupy up to 48 lanes in 16x physical slot layout. So that includes running at least two cards at half speed. Nothing really that untoward here, it's conventional for this sort of configuration, and concessions are always made. That leaves you one physical 4X slot, and an M.2 slot.

I don't think I have to tell you what a niche case that is, but kudos for effort.

Xeon and EPYC, much to Intel's frustration you don't need them if you get Threadripper, unless you are willing to pay for the extra cores

I'll let you rethink that one, I'd feel pretty bad tearing it apart.

Enthusiasts tend to want better, faster and moooaaaar. you're a fake Enthusiasts.

Hey, if buying the products in question makes me a fake enthusiast, then keep it coming.

 

[Doobedoo]

Always wondered exactly who or what a enthusiast was supposed to be....

Well the definition states a enthusiast is

1. One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit: a baseball enthusiast.

2. A zealot; a fanatic.

Pretty much sums all of us up in one way or another .

I prefer Amd their I said it and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Intel make some fantastic products I just prefer Amd. Sorry for being honest and sorry for having an opinion less worthy than others.

 

[RSR]

Always wondered exactly who or what a enthusiast was supposed to be....

According to the Dictionary:

enthusiast (for/of something) a person who is very interested in something and spends a lot of time doing, watching, etc. it

 

[Ayahuasca]

...but this about who's the better enthusiast of the enthusiast platforms

 

[humbug]

Oh dear. So 4.7 to 4.8 on the stock TIM? Not something that you find overly impressive? Hate to hear what you think (or feel) about TR's overclocking range

4.8 without Deliding? You're exaggerating, even 8Packs best binned 7900X CPU's only go to 4.9Ghz, even then they are still slower than the 1950X.

Right. You're not getting it. Take the Zeneth Extreme, a high end X399 board. The motherboard layout allows you to occupy up to 48 lanes in 16x physical slot layout. So that includes running at least two cards at half speed. Nothing really that untoward here, it's conventional for this sort of configuration, and concessions are always made. That leaves you one physical 4X slot, and an M.2 slot.

You're just arguing to drag on the argument, its like you're arguing just because you don't like to lose the argument, in your very argument you've argued my point for me, only you've left the facts out to make it look like you've made a point.
Intel's best board can only do 16/x8/x8/x8, 16/16/x8/x8 is better than 16/x8/x8/x8.

I'll let you rethink that one, I'd feel pretty bad tearing it apart.

I have thought about it, i stand by it, go for it...

Intel's platform is ok if you're looking for value, but thats it. its cheap 'n cheerful but ultimately lacking..

 

[Silent_Scone]

This is obviously beyond you, Humbug. You're talking about exhausting PCIE lanes, I'm showing you how difficult that is to do due to the concessions made to share resources.

Hell, it's like you made a point without even realising what that point was. Same old Humbug

All whilst never actually buying any of it. Ever.

I have thought about it, i stand by it, go for it...

Intel's platform is ok if you're looking for value, but thats it. its cheap 'n cheerful but ultimately lacking..

lol, what? You're either going to need to stop digging, or elaborate.

Also, mine does 4.8 - retail boxed, and another sample that does 4.7 (7900X). Guess I'm super lucky.

 

[humbug]

This is obviously beyond you, Humbug. You're talking about exhausting PCIE lanes, I'm showing you how difficult that is to do due to the concessions made to share resources.

Hell, it's like you made a point without even realising what that point was. Same old Humbug

So after all this that ^^^^ is what its now boiled down to?

Threadripper is:

More power efficient.
Better thermals
Better workstation performance
ECC Memory support

So to address your last straw, you have to make more "concessions to share resources" on the Intel Platform. how is that not a - for the SkyLake-X platform? that's what's "beyond me"

One other thing, up until now every point and argument i have made was a about the hardware, by comparison all you've done is made it about personalities, Attempting to get a rise out of me by making it about me and specifically your apparent perception of my Intelligence, i think that is alarmingly typical, and speaks more about you than you would like it to be about me.

 

[RSR]

...but this about who's the better enthusiast of the enthusiast platforms

ooooooh er.....

 

[Silent_Scone]

So after all this that ^^^^ is what its now boiled down to?

Threadripper is:

More power efficient.
Better thermals
Better workstation performance
ECC Memory support

So to address your last straw, you have to make more "concessions to share resources" on the Intel Platform. how is that not a - for the SkyLake-X platform? that's what's "beyond me"

One other thing, up until now every point and argument i have made was a about the hardware, by comparison all you've done is made it about personalities, Attempting to get a rise out of me by making it about me and specifically your apparent perception of my Intelligence, i think that is alarmingly typical, and speaks more about you than you would like it to be about me.

Well done, you've listed the things we've spoken about already, and partly debunked.

I draw the line at the PCIE lanes debate. Sorry mate, but if you can't even work out how many things, or what shapes fit into what slots on the motherboard - I'll just end up calling you names lol

 

[RSR]

So after all this that ^^^^ is what its now boiled down to?

Threadripper is:

More power efficient.
Better thermals
Better workstation performance
ECC Memory support

You have missed one point..... It's not Intel, that alone is better than the above list.

 

[Doobedoo]

I'm still confused. Sooo... Who wears better thermals and to whom does that give better shapes or more, ummm thing's?

Question of the day who is the better enthusiast who is the most enthusiastic about the enthusiast line of cpu's? Or is it who has the biggest superiority complex. This way over my head .

 

[Doobedoo]

You have missed one point..... It's not Intel, that alone is better than the above list.

Well your clearly not an enthusiast. Please leave now and hang your head in complete incompetence induced shame