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AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X

As far as I can see it now, it seems to be Intel has at the outright performance but at huge cost but AMD is the better option for I/O, thermals, workstation loads which require ECC. I'd just buy which everyone suits your needs the best, this is the great thing about competition.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned technically the X299 platform has 68 PCIe lanes but 24 of them are switched.
 
RSR said:
As far as I can see it now, it seems to be Intel has at the outright performance but at huge cost but AMD is the better option for I/O, thermals, workstation loads which require ECC. I'd just buy which everyone suits your needs the best, this is the great thing about competition.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned technically the X299 platform has 68 PCIe lanes but 24 of them are switched.
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Exhausting I/O was Humbug's angle, not mine. Sometimes you have to let them dig a little first :D

The reality is 44 lanes from the CPU is plenty.
 
Isn't the TR derived down from AMD's adventure into supercomputing where they have lots of very high GPU's in many server enclosures all talking to each other - hence the need for lots of high speed PCIE lanes (I believe Linus did a video on AMD's supercomputing). Fair play to them to offering this kind of stuff to the pro-sumor market.
 
Yes, AMD are pushing for a heterogeneous computing systems so the IF is key.

It's all about the competition pushing the technology forward, I assume Intel ill upgrade the PCIe lane count on there up coming micro-architecture updates.

It's also a good thing for everyone going forward, as it should trickle down to the mainstream platforms.
 
Doobedoo said:
Would it not be better to have the extra lanes though? If you don't use them all now you may in the future. Amd allow you more for your money surely not a bad thing.
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Yes more is better, but as a usage case it's rare for consumers to utilise anywhere near that many. Moreover, even on a premium motherboard (not just Intel, Humbug) the layout only permits to use to use so-many. I can't imagine many users will be overly concerned, however, 28 is a little fine. That's something only Intel can answer.
 
RSR said:
It's all about the competition pushing the technology forward, I assume Intel ill upgrade the PCIe lane count on there up coming micro-architecture updates.

It's also a good thing for everyone going forward, as it should trickle down to the mainstream platforms.
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Yeah I'd have thought so. They'll just create another segment above the 44 lanes and charge a premium for their generosity.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Yes more is better, but as a usage case it's rare for consumers to utilise anywhere near that many. Moreover, even on a premium motherboard (not just Intel, Humbug) the layout only permits to use to use so-many. I can't imagine many users will be overly concerned, however, 28 is a little fine. That's something only Intel can answer.
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So it's defiantly not a bad thing, neither is more cores for your money. Threadripper allows more for your money as is the general theme for Amd cpu products, if what Amd offer you isn't enough then you can always pay more and go for Intel.

More choice has to be a good thing too, that 7900x you have would have most probably cost you much more if Amd were not competitive. Look like we are all winning to me :)
 
Doobedoo said:
So it's defiantly not a bad thing, neither is more cores for your money. Threadripper allows more for your money as is the general theme for Amd cpu products, if what Amd offer you isn't enough then you can always pay more and go for Intel.

More choice has to be a good thing too, that 7900x you have would have most probably cost you much more if Amd were not competitive. Look like we are all winning to me :)
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Money was never the argument, living in a world where Zen is better than Skylake, was. Hell, let's not get it twisted, TR is awesome.
 
Doobedoo said:
Yeah I'd have thought so. They'll just create another segment above the 44 lanes and charge a premium for their generosity.
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I would hope those days Intel are over but you can never understand the business logic they use, as a company they are not really being shown in the most positive light at the moment.
 
PCIe lanes is not something they can do anything about as the Xeon's the HEDT's chips come from don't really have enough, maybe they can improve that with the next generation.

The question is, and this where Intel's current dominance is the over-riding issue, on the HEDT platform why would they want to do that? if the Xeon lines are given more PCIe lanes then that's a $$$$$$$ selling point for those, why give the cheaper HEDT chips more PCIe lanes when you can charge more for more.

Don't think Intel would operate like this?

They already do, they have disabled ECC on the HEDT chips because they figure if you want that you should give them more money and get the Xeon equivalents instead.

Then we get on to raid configurations, By default SkyLake-X only supports RAID 0. For anyother type of RAID array, Intel requires the purchase of a small VROC dongle. So after having bought the chip, the motherboard with the Intel Chipset on it, if you actually want to use all of the features on that chipset you have to buy keys from Intel to unlock them.

For as long as Intel feel they can do what they like, they will.
 
That only applies to VROC. IRST remains the same. Dude, honestly, one day you'll nail it. See, this circulates right back to owning or using the platform, rather than blabbering vicariously. (That's a bit different to agreeing with the idea, which I don't. Especially the Intel drive only part)
 
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Silent_Scone said:
Money was never the argument, living in a world where Zen is better than Skylake, was. Hell, let's not get it twisted, TR is awesome.
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But money is a factor to a lot of people if it wasn't then Skylake x would be even more expensive than it already is. We get the notion that to some money is no object but they are a very small minority.

Anyway circles and all that.
 
RSR said:
I would hope those days Intel are over but you can never understand the business logic they use, as a company they are not really being shown in the most positive light at the moment.
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Wouldn't bet on it. They have to recoup the massive amounts they have invested into r&d, plus keep those share holders happy.
 
Intel have cut the price of it HEDT CPU's in half from where the previous generation was, so they have reacted to TR, at least, they acknowledge it. they should, its currently outselling SkyLake-X on 'Patagonian River'.
Seems i'm not alone in thinking TR is just plain better.
 
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