What he is really saying is AMD need to drop the prices a lot more. They are nokbs because they do not get this apparently. Lol.
He should apply to be there CEO
My guess is AMD would be no more within a year or two if they hired him. Haha.
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He should apply to be there CEO
My guess is AMD would be no more within a year or two if they hired him. Haha.
I'm right and the sales figures for intel's sales before and after the Ryzen 3000 series release show it. intel sales haven't been hit in any way by the Ryzen 3000 launch:
I'm right and the sales figures for intel's sales before and after the Ryzen 3000 series release show it. intel sales haven't been hit in any way by the Ryzen 3000 launch:
No you are wrong. AMD have disturbed Intel. What you have said is beyond laughable.
Caporegime
I'm right and the sales figures for intel's sales before and after the Ryzen 3000 series release show it. intel sales haven't been hit in any way by the Ryzen 3000 launch:
What you're saying is Intel have been selling 5K to 7.5K per month consistently.
What that slide shows there are die hard Intel fans out there, while others have been waiting to buy but couldn't stomach Intel for whatever reason, probably pricing.
And if so, why does intel post all-time earnings records, if AMD is competitive ? ?
I will tell you - because AMD is not that competitive as an average people would think:
Intel Reports Third-Quarter 2019 Financial Results
News Summary:
- Third-quarter revenue of $19.2 billion set a new record and exceeded July guidance, driven by record data-centric revenue*, which grew 6 percent year-over-year (YoY). PC-centric revenue declined 5 percent YoY, consistent with guidance.
- Third-quarter earnings-per-share (EPS) exceeded July guidance. GAAP EPS of $1.35 declined 2 percent YoY; non-GAAP EPS of $1.42 was up 1 percent.
- Year-to-date, Intel has generated a record $23.3 billion cash from operations, generated $11.7 billion of free cash flow and returned approximately $14.3 billion to shareholders.
- Raising full-year revenue outlook to $71 billion, up $1.5 billion from July guidance. Now expecting full-year GAAP EPS of $4.42 and raising full-year non-GAAP EPS outlook to $4.60.
Just think about what you have said. AMD have rocked Intel to its core.
Intel spend more money on property in a year than AMD turnover.
Caporegime
We are talking about retail sales, a retentively small proportion of Intel's market, you're expanding way beyond what we are talking about with this.
I will say this, it doesn't matter if you as a company have far better products than your competitor, which right now AMD do, but AMD's competitor has very very deep pockets, Intel products might be crap in comparison to AMD, but unlike AMD Intel can just buy their way out of this predicament, they've done it before, back in the Athlon days Intel just gave away their CPU's and on top of that paid people like Dell $850m a year not to use AMD's products, thus denying AMD sales and there in revenue, just like that Intel stopped AMD's growth stone dead.
That is the nature of it, AMD have just got to keep pushing and try and ride it out, wear Intel down because even Intel will eventually get to a point where it eats up their bottom line.
AMD is not YET in a position to command those prices. It feels like just a money grab.
They will probably pull it off for a few months but in the long run they don't have the deep pockets to ride out diminishing sales due to high prices.
Mindshare does not change in 2 years after a decade hiatus
They will probably pull it off for a few months but in the long run they don't have the deep pockets to ride out diminishing sales due to high prices.
Mindshare does not change in 2 years after a decade hiatus
Caporegime
With HEDT i think they are.
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I've said in the past that if AMD were to surpass NV/Intel they'd become more like them. Those who get to the top command a premium, in any industry . Why not? AMD have not only gone through a bad phase but repeatedly go through that phase. They need to do something different. They need to move away from just cheap prices so if they can knock out competitive parts, they too can command high prices for their products.
Their products have been cheaper in the past as they've been nowhere near as good most of the time.
You're right about mindshare but then there's also the debate about whether higher prices actually give some buyers the impression that they're buying a better product. Create a superior product on every measure and offer it for a much cheaper price and some will ask "so what's wrong with it?".
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Soldato
AMD is very much in a position to command these prices. Ryzen has taken it to Intel since its inception and has now surpassed them in every metric that matters. Threadripper utterly annihilates Intel's HEDT, as does EPYC vs Xeon in server. X570 vendors are taking the **** with their prices but the CPUs are not.
Diminishing sales? Mindshare doesn't change? Not true. EPYC is in high demand (which is why 12 and 16 core Ryzen parts are scarce) and month-on-month Ryzen tops numerous retailer charts despite "high prices". Hell, AMD GPU sales started going up before Navi was even launched, that's what increasing mindshare does.
Let’s hope it gets even better. We need a strong competitive AMD. R&D is only getting more expensive each year and they need the money to fight on both fronts! A healthy AMD is good for us all.
Caporegime
No one buying HEDT cares about 200 vs 210 FPS, what they care about is raw compute power, with that AMD's upcoming top of the lime Mainstream is on a par with Intel's best upcoming HEDT, AMD's upcoming HEDT will utterly crush Intel's, with that AMD can command its pricing.
And they have, Intel have cut thier prices in half just to 'try at least' stay relevant, while AMD have jacked theirs up without flinching because if you want the best, you go AMD.
And they have, Intel have cut thier prices in half just to 'try at least' stay relevant, while AMD have jacked theirs up without flinching because if you want the best, you go AMD.
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That never swayed me when Intel were trying it on, and it certainly doesn't now with AMD. To my mind "The best" should equate to 48 or 64 cores as flagships with cheaper options for 24 or 32, rather than the same amount of cores as previous TR gen as flagships for more money with no obvious power efficiency improvement and an expensive new chipset.
People buying HEDT totally care about 200 vs 210 as that is all about RAW compute power???? with some software you get diminishing returns for cores beyond a certain point and are held up by IO, so nice fast cores with lots of lanes for fast disk. For me it was all about disk once more cores don't help, and of cores once more cores don't help you want faster cores.
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Soldato
If you're rendering games using the CPU like it's 1992 then maybe.
So you DO want Threadripper 3 then. 80 PCIe 4 lanes and a minimum of 24 cores faster than anything on Intel's HEDT line.
Good thing Threadripper 3 has both then, isn't it.
Soldato
Oh please, the entirety of Threadripper 3 is superior to its predecessors in every way, and currently king of the hill in HEDT.
"The best" is a combination raw performance, features, versatility and price/performance ratio. Threadripper 3 has all of that. "Expensive new chipset"? Do you know how much TRX40 boards will cost, or just read some speculation? Because I've read some speculation that suggests the very top board (Gigabyte's Xtreme) will cost about $850, which is only $150 more than the very best X399 board (Asus Zenith). $150 is pennies when building HEDT.
OK, you wanted 24 cores cheaper than the 2970X. You didn't get it. Don't start bleating like 4K8K rubbishing everything just because it's more expensive than you wanted it to be.
I already have a HEDT system that does the job, TRX40 brings me nothing, it may not even bring a faster chip, problem with all those cores on TR3 is that when you use them you will the clocks will drop, the reason I picked the lower core count TR was because it gives the highest all core clock when you load them all.
A 3900x drops to 4.1Ghz loaded all cores loaded, I am sure a 3950x will be lower, and TR3 chips will no doubt go lower again, so will it actually be faster than what I have once that has happened? I'd imagine 3.5Ghz should be at least equal, maybe a touch better reviews will tell us the true story here but generally less cores = more speed, but if I end up with a small bump then the shift of platform is pointless.
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You're both right and talking past each other. AMD is hugely competitive in the enthusiast desktop and HEDT sectors. But these are small sectors; all those millions of office PCs and workstations and servers are still going out with Intel chips, and that's where the money is. AMD's Epyc CPUs are only now becoming competitive in the datacentre space (it took the previous generation to gain trust). Ryzen, Threadripper, and Epyc have given AMD a beachhead and are real threats and Intel needs to act.
Caporegime
To add to that you don't want Intel's HEDT then, you get even less frame rates with those than you get with Zen+ leave alone Zen 2.
Soldato
Clock speeds mean nothing in isolation, sandy. You are aware that Zen 2 has a significant IPC bump over previous iterations yeah?
but what is it you actually want? One minute you're saying it's cores, then you're saying it's I/O infrastructure and you don't need cores. Well core-for-core Threadripper 3 is vastly superior to whatever HEDT platform you have currently, that's just going to be a fact.
The fact that your existing system does everything you need - and therefore you don't actually require an upgrade - is a completely different issue.
but what is it you actually want? One minute you're saying it's cores, then you're saying it's I/O infrastructure and you don't need cores. Well core-for-core Threadripper 3 is vastly superior to whatever HEDT platform you have currently, that's just going to be a fact.
The fact that your existing system does everything you need - and therefore you don't actually require an upgrade - is a completely different issue.