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AMD to launch 12nm Ryzen in February 2018

Been trying to find reference to the Samsung. 5ghz process, and that seems to be the 14nm FINFET process, which this is not. Is that correct?

I.e. I am assuming minimal gains from this process move? So I assume around 10 percent clock improvement, which would be nice. A boost to the IMC would also be amazing.
 
Scougar said:
Been trying to find reference to the Samsung. 5ghz process, and that seems to be the 14nm FINFET process, which this is not. Is that correct?

I.e. I am assuming minimal gains from this process move? So I assume around 10 percent clock improvement, which would be nice. A boost to the IMC would also be amazing.
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There is a Samsung Slide with AMD's Chip details on it floating about somewhere but i cannot find it again, i did post it in one of the Ryzen threads ages ago.

The 5Ghz process is Zen 2, this next one is Zen+.
 
humbug said:
There is a Samsung Slide with AMD's Chip details on it floating about somewhere but i cannot find it again, i did post it in one of the Ryzen threads ages ago.

The 5Ghz process is Zen 2, this next one is Zen+.
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Even if it can clock at 4.5Ghz on all 8 clocks, with 4000Mhz+ Ram support, going to be instant hit across the whole market.

Which means, upgrade itch to 8700K is gone. Intel may eat the money of someone else. The 6800K can lumber on another 5 months. Maybe grab a second hand 7700K next few weeks and the 270 Strix-I , now their prices will be on fire sale.
 
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Looking forward to Zen+ earlier than expected. It would be interesting to know what the new chipsets might bring to the table though, maybe more M2 slots ? who knows. As long as AMD keep performance between the 370's and 470's equal i will be happy to just grab a Zen+.
Must admit though, i will be very annoyed if certain performance advantages can only be gained by a new mobo.
 
Panos said:
Even if it can clock at 4.5Ghz on all 8 clocks, with 4000Mhz+ Ram support, going to be instant hit across the whole market.

Which means, upgrade itch to 8700K is gone. Intel may eat the money of someone else. The 6800K can lumber on another 5 months. Maybe grab a second hand 7700K next few weeks and the 270 Strix-I , now their prices will be on fire sale.
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Total guessing here, but I am not expecting miracles. Whenever AMD introduced new processes before, it resulted in 100-200mhz bumps initially.
 
Personally I am underwhelmed by the 5GHz must have comments. 5GHz is just a number and I would far rather see improvements in the instructions per clock than raw clock frequency anyday. This is based on a lengthy experience of the 'overclocking to the max and backing off a notch' method on many processor families.

Yes definitely overclock to improve the stock frequency which 99.999 recurring % of processors can achieve, by all means spend a bit of money on good components and thermal performance, but my personal aim is a combination of overclocked, undervolted, cool running, low noise, efficient but capable system

I hope that AMD will continue to target processor efficiency and IPC before competing for the highest clock frequency with Intel. Apart from benching epeen, most current higher end CPU lines are more than capable of providing an adequate performance. Better IPC at a lower frequency does not mean poorer performance except possibly in poorly coded software.
 
so have amd confirmed the ryzen+ will actually work on the current motherboards or is everyone just assuming this because they have said they will use the AM4 socket.
 
Panos said:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11854/globalfoundries-adds-12lp-process-tech-amd-first-customer
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Great link. Thank you for this :)

GlobalFoundries promises that its 12LP provides a 15% higher transistor density and enables a 10% higher frequency potential (at the same power and complexity) compared to “16/14nm FinFET solutions on the market today”.
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Assuming GF are talking about AMD's 14LPP process as comparison, then 10% uplift is pretty nice. Hopefully that translates to 4.4/4.5Ghz clocks potential when overclocking.
 
You wait for a worthwhile CPU upgrade for 5 plus years and then 10 come along in 6 months. Good to see AMD don't plan on sitting back with Ryzen.
 
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so have amd confirmed the ryzen+ will actually work on the current motherboards or is everyone just assuming this because they have said they will use the AM4 socket.
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They wouldn't use the same socket if the chip didn't work in that socket.
 
humbug said:
They wouldn't use the same socket if the chip didn't work in that socket.
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yes thats obvious but the chipset isnt the socket now is it. just look at intels shenanigans all we have been told is they will continue with AM4 up to 2020, no one has said your 350/370 mobo will work with newer cpu;s until 2020 unless iv missed something somewhere.
 
GAC said:
yes thats obvious but the chipset isnt the socket now is it. just look at intels shenanigans all we have been told is they will continue with AM4 up to 2020, no one has said your 350/370 mobo will work with newer cpu;s until 2020 unless iv missed something somewhere.
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Intel's shenanigans is they change the socket to force you to buy a new board even if the Chipset is the same they just rename too.

AMD are not changing the socket, they are not even changing for Zen 2, same socket, the newer chips will work in the original AM4 boards.
 
but have they said this as all iv seen them say specifically is they will be using the am4 socket until 2020, no one that iv seen has said the 350/270 mobos will work with newer cpu's iv asked amdmatt on here he ignored it, iv asked a couple on twitter the same response.
 
I'm sure I recall people going on about 5 year compatibility, (Well, Humbug)

As long as AMD can give me a higher clocking chip with higher IPC than my 1700 within a year or two, I'm very happy. If I need to change motherboard after that for a further upgrade, then that's also fine.
 
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