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AMD To Launch RV770 On June 18th

When you crank up the res, AA/AF, thats where the old 8800 GTX/Ultra leave the 9800 behind, and thats what you want to do with these cards, so id be interested in seeing these put against those old cards, but imo if they aint absolutely hammering those old things, then id say its a pathetic failure.:(

Im sorry that i had to say that to, but come on, 8800GTX was released in November 2006, these are coming out June 2008, they should be beating them by now, and by quite a bit, but if they are just scraping past it, then thats pathetic imo.
 
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At the end of the day, for me at least if this product is quite better than the current ATI offerings in both gaming and multimedia performance while not costing an arm and a leg to buy and it's cool and consumes reasonable amounts of energy then it's a good step forward.
We will fist have to see how this things perform and then how good do these new architectures scale with SLI and Crossfire. As previously stated the only game that requires more power at the moment is Crysis.
The question being raised though is games getting release at the end of the year like Operation Flashpoint 2 and the interesting part is that a single grenade is consisted out of 5K polygons. I doubt that this kind of monster will be playable on either ATI's or Nvidia's upcoming solutions since if you know the game we are talking about a game taking an area of 200km2.
Regardless of how the new Nvidia or ATI cards are going to perform i think i am going to start saving for the R800 which is due for the end of the year or early 2009 which is said to be the big murtha.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
When you crank up the res, AA/AF, thats where the old 8800 GTX/Ultra leave the 9800 behind, and thats what you want to do with these cards, so id be interested in seeing these put against those old cards, but imo if they aint absolutely hammering those old things, then id say its a pathetic failure.:(

Im sorry that i had to say that to, but come on, 8800GTX was released in November 2006, these are coming out June 2008, they should be beating them by now, and by quite a bit, but if they are just scraping past it, then thats pathetic imo.
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This isn't another 2900xt, it's a different approach. When you look at the GT200 die size and the heat it produces then maybe ATI are on to something. The X2 should be pretty competitive with the GT200 and i can't see Nvidia doing a GX2 of their own with a chip that size.
 
Owenb said:
This isn't another 2900xt, it's a different approach. When you look at the GT200 die size and the heat it produces then maybe ATI are on to something. The X2 should be pretty competitive with the GT200 and i can't see Nvidia doing a GX2 of their own with a chip that size.
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High end GFX is all about speed.

Enthusiast's pumping large volts through their hardware and using water to cool their components would have course love less power hungry cards and fast speeds.

In reality the top notch cards are about one thing,

FPS lashings of AA and AF and 3D marks.


Oops thats four things!:p
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Im sorry that i had to say that to, but come on, 8800GTX was released in November 2006, these are coming out June 2008, they should be beating them by now, and by quite a bit, but if they are just scraping past it, then thats pathetic imo.
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Where I can see where your coming from, the reality of the situation is that (I assume your on about the RV770) in the 18 months since G80, by june you will be able to buy a mid range part that is quicker than the super high end of late 2006. I think that is comendable progress but that is just me.

If you want high end, GT200 is due what, mid june? And by all accounts ATI has R700 near enough ready, there working on the drivers and waiting to see how the 280 GTX performs.

Martyn
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Just have to wait for the reviews/benchmarks, but its not looking good if AMD themselves say they are around 9800 GTX peformance, so id say neither are going to be worth it, as even the ancient 8800 GTX and Ultra are faster than the 9800 GTX lol.
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Right

i completely forgot about that, i can blame the dumb naming scheme.

i still cannot see any logic that people have great cards and want to dump their current card. Though the price is going to drop quite a lot on their older card, i mean whats the thing to do?

wait for a refresh? or will these top cards be the best both companies have to offer for the next 2+ years, ala nvidia?.

and why is crossfire better than sli? architecture of the cards?
 
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just think of the performance increase we got going from 2004 to 2006 and now from 2006 to 2008!

2004 was 6800 ultra or X800xtpe at the top end.

In terms of 3dm06 you're talking 3x the performance minimum, possibly more.

Not passing comment on the upcoming cards because I haven't got a clue on how they'll perform but no one seems to be suggesting it'll be anything like that kind of hike.
 
The thing is that there are not that many games (Crysis) that are really struggling in nowadays graphics card, and I don't even know what is coming up in games that is going to upset my current 8800GTS 512.
 
Ezyryder said:
The thing is that there are not that many games (Crysis) that are really struggling in nowadays graphics card, and I don't even know what is coming up in games that is going to upset my current 8800GTS 512.
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Until you apply lots of aa and af! Take The Witcher, runs at 55-110 fps at 1680 x 1050 with 16xaf and 2xaa. Switch on 16xqaa and it drops to 15fps :eek:

So it would be nice at 1680 x 1050 res (which is becoming the standard res for most people with the price of 20"-22" screens dropping so much)to have a gfx card where you can switch all the graphics/quality settings to max and have 60+ fps IMO. A good percentage of people are now getting 24" screens so the situation gets even worse at 1900 x 1200 res.

And I agree about we haven't had much gain except in value for money cards such as the GT and GTS in the last couple of years. My x800xt pe lasted me almost 4 years at 1280 x 1024 res. Okay it was struggling at the end of it's life and hence the upgrade. The 8800GTX was another card which was a blinder and has now performed well for two years and I would guess if you can live without lots of AF and AA, if I had bought one, I might have got another year or two out of it yet.

Going from my x800xt pe to my my overclocked gts certainly did triple my 3dmark06 performance but then it would have done so two years ago if I had bought a 8800GTX.

Tbh I just can't see any next gen card from either ATI or Nvidia lasting two years nevermind longer. Don't forget that in two years time when 24" screens are all under £100 we all be wanting to game at 1900 x 1200 with all the candy floss switched on.
 
yeah lets not fool ourselves though, 24" screens worth having are still £400+ :)

anyway, you say you can't see them lasting 2 years, personally I can see my 8800GTX being just fine for another year so if there is a decent hike in performance with these cards I can see them lasting even longer.

As games become more multithreaded and things like physics and maybe even shadows and whatnot are offloaded onto extra cores the load on gfx cards could well go down.

Plus (and I know this was probably said when Quake 1 was released but hey) how much better is it going to get, certainly at the speed things have developed up to press, than games like crysis/assassins creed etc the later which can run at high settings on an 8800GTX nevermind an ultra or GX2 already??
 
Personally I think/hope that the days of the mega high power hot noisy and hungry card is on the way out. ATI is right in the direction they are going with this imo and while it would be nice if they were closer on top end performance, if a game comes out that needs that extra boost (that I want to play - no interest in crysis) I can just slot in a second cheapish card. While it may not be liek that yet, I think thats a good way to go for the future.
 
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oh I thought the cheap ones used the junky panles with poor viewing anlges/dead colours etc.. if I was having a big ass screen (which I have, 2407 :p still easily my favourite bit of my pc) it'd have to be a good 'un :)
 
Is there any kind of 'official' word on wether 4870's will be releasing in both 512 and 1024MB forms, or just 512?

I heard rumour that it was 512 only, but 3rd parties could bring out 1GB cards, is that still the case?

If so that sucks hard, as who wants a top end next gen card without 1GB of mem :(
 
HeX said:
Is there any kind of 'official' word on wether 4870's will be releasing in both 512 and 1024MB forms, or just 512?

I heard rumour that it was 512 only, but 3rd parties could bring out 1GB cards, is that still the case?

If so that sucks hard, as who wants a top end next gen card without 1GB of mem :(
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Apparently, board partners have been given permissions to make 1GB versions from launch though. So hopefully we'll see them very early on.
 
Id love to be in charge of em, id say you what, im sorry, you've had nearly 2 years, a shed load of cash for development, and this is all you can come up with, an extra 5-10fps, are you having a laugh, YOUR ALL FIRED!!!!.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Id love to be in charge of em, id say you what, im sorry, you've had nearly 2 years, a shed load of cash for development, and this is all you can come up with, an extra 5-10fps, are you having a laugh, YOUR ALL FIRED!!!!.
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I don't use this smiley very often, but:

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When you actually have the first clue about hardware design, and the complexities involved in consistently obtaining exponential improvements in performance, then you get to criticise. Until then you're just talking crap about things you don't understand. For a change.
 
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