AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

[humbug]

Ian Cutress did a video of predictions, he thinks Zen 4 will be delayed from Q3 to Q4 and Raptor Lake won't come out in 2022. Just something to talk about anyway.

On his potato channel?

 

[EsaT]

Its how Leather Jacket man Jenz thinks. That mindset brought him success.

You're wrong, he things fight dirty.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

On his potato channel?

On his spud channel yeah

 

[Joxeon]

Honestly they need to come out at least no more than the RRP of their non 3D cache counterparts. So at most £510 for them to be viable considering considering 5900x can be had for £440 just fine and the 12700k is only £340 and honeslty what I would be picking out two.

Considering you could soon get a mobo for £100 and so mobo and CPU that outperforms the current 5900x by around 15% and at worst match the 3Dcache 5900x for what would then £70 cheaper even at the £510 price point assuming you are already on AM4 board.

If not there literally zero reason to go for an AMD setup at current price/performance honestly.

If the price increase % for Vcache outstrips the performance increase % then it's really a backward step for the consumer so I'd agree that it really needs to be no more than the original MSRPs which were already high especially lower down the stack.

 

[LePhuronn]

I'm not sure where you've got a 15% average uplift from vs a 5900x either, that is just fantasy, maybe in one app or a couple of games as an outlier.

From AMD's announcement at Computex last year. Prototype 12 core V cache Zen 3 vs 5900X, both locked at 4GHz, average 15% uplift in the games tested.

 

[Journey]

From AMD's announcement at Computex last year. Prototype 12 core V cache Zen 3 vs 5900X, both locked at 4GHz, average 15% uplift in the games tested.

I was talking about the ADL parts.

 

[jigger]

I’m expecting prices to go up. With the added SRAM silicon, TSMC wafer increases and everything going on in the world
right now I don’t see how AMD could reduce prices.

 

[humbug]

On his spud channel yeah

Cool, something to watch later....

 

[Vulture]

I’m expecting prices to go up. With the added SRAM silicon, TSMC wafer increases and everything going on in the world
right now I don’t see how AMD could reduce prices.

AMD with current Zen 3 prices have huge margain so they have room for price cut, and also because they use chiplet design and server/desktop architecture are all same, combined with extremely mature 7nm node, yields are very good.

 

[humbug]

AMD with current Zen 3 prices have huge margain so they have room for price cut, and also because they use chiplet design and server/desktop architecture are all same, combined with extremely mature 7nm node, yields are very good.

Agreed, i think AMD can take a hit on retail CPU margins.

 

[pete910]

It was a reference to Nvidia marketing themselves as the “Ferrari” of the graphics world in an attempt to justify the never ending prices hikes.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Agreed, i think AMD can take a hit on retail CPU margins.

Thats all they can do now they are taking a hit in performance from alderlake

 

[Hook]

Cancelled, or delayed until Zen 4, hopefully for good reason, hopefully because after seeing ADL AMD are rethinking and there would be little headroom for HEDT over mainstream.

Looks like we might get the wx series at CES

https://www.cpu-rumors.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-wx-series-specs-leaked/
The workstation ones are released,

 

[Cromulent]

Looks like we might get the wx series at CES

https://www.cpu-rumors.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-wx-series-specs-leaked/
The workstation ones are released,

If that is true then that will be hard for me to resist. I always thought the regular Threadripper would be updated first but if the Threadripper Pro comes out it'll be extremely difficult to say no to.

 

[LePhuronn]

Thats all they can do now they are taking a hit in performance from alderlake

Tosh. Intel never reduced prices these past few years, why should AMD? If AMD continue to sell everything they make then there is literally no point for them to reduce prices. Mindshare is a powerful thing, and right now that's in AMD's favour.

 

[Twinz]

Tosh. Intel never reduced prices these past few years, why should AMD? If AMD continue to sell everything they make then there is literally no point for them to reduce prices. Mindshare is a powerful thing, and right now that's in AMD's favour.

"Mindshare" won't make my games or other programs go faster.

If AMD won't compete, my money (and "mindshare") will go back to Intel.

Offering less performance for more money is a losing strategy and that's what AMD is doing right now.

Intel is finally acting like it wants my business. It's AMD's move now.

 

[Vulture]

"Mindshare" won't make my games or other programs go faster.

If AMD won't compete, my money (and "mindshare") will go back to Intel.

Offering less performance for more money is a losing strategy and that's what AMD is doing right now.

Intel is finally acting like it wants my business. It's AMD's move now.

People keep posting bull****s again and again, jesus, AMD wont' compete? seriosly? Ofcourse they compete, they dominate in every major IT retailer, they will release 3d cache versions, Zen 4 is on plan. They don't have luxury to be sloppy like Intel was before, AMD will continue to work hard and grow.

 

[Curlyriff]

People keep posting bull****s again and again, jesus, AMD wont' compete? seriosly? Ofcourse they compete, they dominate in every major IT retailer, they will release 3d cache versions, Zen 4 is on plan. They don't have luxury to be sloppy like Intel was before, AMD will continue to work hard and grow.

Buy they are right, right now at this point in time AMD are offering less performance for more monies no matter how you cut it so AMD need to respond appropriately with the Vcache chips if they want to offer more performance at similar price point to Intel which is what every generational step should be even as a mid step.

For the 5900x to even come out at £510 for say a 10% uplift to the 12700k at £339 then you are still at a better price to performance margine significantly and at moment looking at what is coming out I would still recommend that to friends unless they want theist few percentage in games because they would be better off putting that £171 into GPU upgrade pot.

If we want competing price to performance you'd need the 5900x vCache chip to come out at like £372 for it to actually be in the stack at a 1:1 ratio to Intel performance of the 12700k if you took that as the delta point.

If you want it to have AMD pushing Intel to take the next step then you need AMD to be releasing the 5900x at the same price point as the 12700K at £339 and the 5800x drops to the 12600k price point etc.

That is driving the performance to price forward and meaning Intel would have to push again. It won't happen of course but really that is where consumers would actually see a price to performance increase to what is currently available by either company.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

3d vcache chips need to be cheaper than current amd lineup otherwise they won't be winning back value crown and still loose sales to intel.

 

[Armageus]

Offering less performance for more money is a losing strategy and that's what AMD is doing right now.

3d vcache chips need to be cheaper than current amd lineup otherwise they won't be winning back value crown and still loose sales to intel.

In an ordinary world that that would absolutely be the case, however due to supply constraints on both sides, there is no pressure to reduce prices. Both sides are selling CPUs as fast as they are produced.