AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

[jigger]

Let's not pretend AMD doesn't have its fingers in the pie either.

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphir...phics-cards-to-cryptomining-hardware-retailer

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphir...i-22-gpu-and-10gb-memory-leaked-costs-750-eur

They can probably now afford serve both markets with AMD moving the consoles to 6nm and freeing up 7nm capacity.

Seems AMD board partners are going after Nvidia’s crypto pie. Reading between the lines if Jenson is getting £1400 a pop for the RTX3080, Sapphire and powercolor could probably ask similar money for a purpose made RX 6800.

 

[humbug]

They can probably now afford serve both markets with AMD moving the consoles to 6nm and freeing up 7nm capacity.

Seems AMD board partners are going after Nvidia’s crypto pie. Reading between the lines if Jenson is getting £1400 a pop for the RTX3080, Sapphire and powercolor could probably ask similar money for a purpose made RX 6800.

Oh that's good news, just in time to head off Intel.

AMD have also just signed a new $2 Billion deal with GluFo to make the next generation of low to mid range SoC APU's, that will free up even more 7nm, i might actually get to buy an RX 6800 next year.

 

[humbug]

Of course not that's why the retailers have plenty of 3080s while the 6900XT is all sold out.

Answer me this.

The MSRP of the 6900XT is $999, most of those cards are £1,500 or less, i see a couple there for £1,350, idiotic stupid price, and 35%+ over MSRP.

I just looked at the 3090, MSRP on them is $1,399, the cheapest one i could find is £2,600, you have expressed your annoyance at AMD's GPU's being too expensive, do you think Nvidia's are fairly priced? Because if you do it needs explaining.

 

[jigger]

Answer me this.

The MSRP of the 6900XT is $999, most of those cards are £1,500 or less, i see a couple there for £1,350, idiotic stupid price, and 35%+ over MSRP.

I just looked at the 3090, MSRP on them is $1,399, the cheapest one i could find is £2,600, you have expressed your annoyance at AMD's GPU's being too expensive, do you think Nvidia's are fairly priced? Because if you do it needs explaining.

Ah but, Jenson air drops 1.15% of his mining stock to a random nation every 4 month and the Nvidia GeForce focus group members get free graphics cards for casting dispersions. Nvidia are generous and charitable

 

[humbug]

Ah but, Jenson air drops 1.15% of his mining stock to a random nation every 4 month and the Nvidia GeForce focus group members get free graphics cards for casting dispersions. Nvidia are generous and charitable

I'm just wondering if his despair at AMD's Zen 3 pricing (which don't get me wrong i don't think he is, wrong) has spilled over in to their GPU's, Again i think $579 MSRP for a mid range GPU is silly but i think $699 for a GPU with 6GB less VRam is even more daft, i like Nvidia's GPU's and i'm happy to by from them yet again.... but not with that much 'built in obsolescence', i'm seeing potential 8GB VRam issues with a ####'ing RTX 2070 Super for #### sake! Why would i buy another one, for that reason and the stupid MSRP Ampere doesn't even enter my consideration.

Looking at the whole picture it seems to me as idiotic as Nvidia's stingy VRam to single AMD out for daft GPU stuff, on the whole AMD aren't doing too bad.

 

[jigger]

Oh that's good news, just in time to head off Intel.

AMD have also just signed a new $2 Billion deal with GluFo to make the next generation of low to mid range SoC APU's, that will free up even more 7nm, i might actually get to buy an RX 6800 next year.

AMD building momentum and increasing capacity. If Intel do plan to flood the graphics market at a loss, then it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

AMD moving it's lower end Zen to Samsung now the process has matured and been fine tuned is a good move.

 

[humbug]

AMD building momentum and increasing capacity. If Intel do plan to flood the graphics market at a loss, then it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

AMD moving it's lower end Zen to Samsung now the process has matured and been fine tuned is a good move.

It seems AMD's strategy is 'Buy up capacity everywhere'

 

[Grim5]

It seems AMD's strategy is 'Buy up capacity everywhere'

It seems AMD's strategy is 'Buy up capacity everywhere'

In this market you have to, all the market power is with the Fabs and they want lots of cash up front of you expect anything in return.

details of Nvidias deal with its TSMC was revealed - Nvidia has already paid $2billion to tsmc up front and has another $2billion payment coming up next month and TSMC hasn't even made a single 5nm GPU for them

 

[Vulture]

In this market you have to, all the market power is with the Fabs and they want lots of cash up front of you expect anything in return.

details of Nvidias deal with its TSMC was revealed - Nvidia has already paid $2billion to tsmc up front and has another $2billion payment coming up next month and TSMC hasn't even made a single 5nm GPU for them

So we can be sure now that GPU prices won't go down.

 

[LePhuronn]

So we can be sure now that GPU prices won't go down.

GPU prices were never going down. Nvidia drew that line in the sand with the 2080 Ti: there was no global pandemic or supply constraints to use as excuses, but the idiot masses still spent their money. Arguably Titan Pascal set that precedent previously because there was nothing "Titan" about it. RTX 3000 pricing just cemented idiot consumer behaviour.

And because the market had proven itself to be willing to bend over and get done in with no lube, AMD got in on the action too.

Honestly, if anybody's expecting Intel to be some kind of low price GPU market saviour, dare I say AMD-esque in its pricing model to win mindshare, then you probably need your head read. Intel can easily do what Nvidia did and lie about their MSRP to make themselves look good, knowing full well that the cards will actually retail for much higher, but all the reviews from the tech press and YouTube will fawn over "but what and MSRP" like the mindless sheep there were with the RTX 3000 Founders. Or they can do an AMD and give an honest, ludicrously high MSRP knowing that it'll still be a chunk cheaper than the real-world sale price of the competition.

And it will come down to one of these two factors because Intel only have a tiny portion of TSMC's 6nm process (yes, that same process everybody's talking about migrating console production to) and there is still economic and supply chain upheaval, so there's no way they can flood the market with cheap cards.

Intel's likely to suffer the same fate as RDNA 2: what should have been a massive coup and a hard kick in Nvidia's balls with cheaper and superior hardware was rendered null by the inability to actually make product to sell and enact change.

 

[Joxeon]

Answer me this.

The MSRP of the 6900XT is $999, most of those cards are £1,500 or less, i see a couple there for £1,350, idiotic stupid price, and 35%+ over MSRP.

I just looked at the 3090, MSRP on them is $1,399, the cheapest one i could find is £2,600, you have expressed your annoyance at AMD's GPU's being too expensive, do you think Nvidia's are fairly priced? Because if you do it needs explaining.

Because demand is lower for AMD cards from gamers and miners due to nvidias superior feature set, mining hash rate and the mindshare of course. I'm sure AMD would love to price the 6900XT for £2000 but no one will buy them and even at £1400 they tend to sit on the shelf even compared to lower performing Nvidia cards at a similar price.

The worse card this generation though from AMD is the 6600 which has a worse price performance ratio than the 5600XT even at the MSRP and also it also offers less features, VRAM, performance and a cut down bus than a 3060 at the same MSRP and that's what I find most concerning going forward as this is a sign of intent where yet again AMD are gouging the cheapest products in their line up by the largest amount in a similar way to how they did with CPUs.

 

[LePhuronn]

If you said "because demand is lower for AMD cards from gamers and miners due to consumers being clueless idiots" I'd be on board, because that is the actual truth. Everything else, well...

is a sign of intent where yet again AMD are gouging the cheapest products in their line up by the largest amount in a similar way to how they did with CPUs.

You're never going to let this fallacy go, are you. You're starting to come across as quite unwell mentally the fact this sticks in your head regardless of how many people literally prove you incorrect, yet you bring it up again and again and again in every single conversation.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Answer me this.

The MSRP of the 6900XT is $999, most of those cards are £1,500 or less, i see a couple there for £1,350, idiotic stupid price, and 35%+ over MSRP.

I just looked at the 3090, MSRP on them is $1,399, the cheapest one i could find is £2,600, you have expressed your annoyance at AMD's GPU's being too expensive, do you think Nvidia's are fairly priced? Because if you do it needs explaining.

Finally, someone that understands the market! Still whenever I post this on other threads the denials regurgitate the "at least you can get some nvidia cards at msrp" meaning FE which are tiny spurts controlled via one retailer. Totally skews the actual availability and what people are spending, way way more than a handful of enthusiast niche minority pretend.

 

[Joxeon]

going to let this fallacy go, are you. You're starting to come across as quite unwell mentally the fact this sticks in your head regardless of how many people literally prove you incorrect, yet you bring it up again and again and again in every single conversation.

How is it incorrect? All the big reviewers picked up on what a bad deal the 6600 even at the "MSRP". 18% more money than the 5600XT for 9% more performance and while MSRPs are not exactly what the cards are selling at right now the MSRP still shows a company's intent.

 

[Joxeon]

Finally, someone that understands the market! Still whenever I post this on other threads the denials regurgitate the "at least you can get some nvidia cards at msrp" meaning FE which are tiny spurts controlled via one retailer. Totally skews the actual availability and what people are spending, way way more than a handful of enthusiast niche minority pretend.

Say what you like but atleast they are available, I game on my "pretend" 3080FE for £649 everyday so thanks Nvidia for atleast giving me the opportunity to purchase one for MSRP. Had AMD done the same then I'd have bought a 6800XT.

 

[pete910]

Say what you like but atleast they are available, I game on my "pretend" 3080FE for £649 everyday so thanks Nvidia for atleast giving me the opportunity to purchase one for MSRP. Had AMD done the same then I'd have bought a 6800XT.

I've managed to game on my ref 6800xt for less than you paid for 380fe thanks to AMD

Edit:

Oops, thought I was in the GPU section so slightly off topic !

 

[LtMatt]

I've managed to game on my ref 6800xt for less than you paid for 380fe thanks to AMD

Edit:

Oops, thought I was in the GPU section so slightly off topic !

Me too, using the same 6800 XT.

Glad it’s still going strong.

 

[pete910]

Me too, using the same 6800 XT.

Glad it’s still going strong.

My lads pinched my VII

 

[humbug]

Because demand is lower for AMD cards from gamers and miners due to nvidias superior feature set, mining hash rate and the mindshare of course. I'm sure AMD would love to price the 6900XT for £2000 but no one will buy them and even at £1400 they tend to sit on the shelf even compared to lower performing Nvidia cards at a similar price.

The worse card this generation though from AMD is the 6600 which has a worse price performance ratio than the 5600XT even at the MSRP and also it also offers less features, VRAM, performance and a cut down bus than a 3060 at the same MSRP and that's what I find most concerning going forward as this is a sign of intent where yet again AMD are gouging the cheapest products in their line up by the largest amount in a similar way to how they did with CPUs.

That really is interesting, crazy but lets role with it, what sort of MSRP do you think the 6900XT should be?

 

[pete910]

That really is interesting, crazy but lets role with it, what sort of MSRP do you think the 6900XT should be?

£9.99 with a free game !
£8.99 with free game for the 6800xt
£7.99 for the 6700xt
£7.50 for the 6700
£6.99 for the 6600xt

Everything below, Free to good home !