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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022
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Soldato
"Market share" is an effect that happens after a company offers their products to the public and the public decides to buy or not buy. It's a lagging indicator.
*Right now* AMD is offering less performance and charging more money for it.
I can easily predict which direction my personal "share" of the "market" will go if AMD perisits in their current approach.
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Caporegime
Why is Zen 3 outselling Alder Lake? And by some margin.
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They do depending on the price point. But low end parts <£150 are almost none existent from both sides, forcing people to spend more than they would otherwise like to, as all capacity is going into higher end parts.
Soldato
Why should this matter to me as a consumer? I'm not going to spend more money for less performance.
I think Intel made a mistake tying Alderlake to Windows 11. People who don't dig into the reviews may easily assume that Alderlake requires Windows 11 to beat AMD and people don't want to bother with a new buggy OS.
After looking at the reviews, it's clear that AL beats Zen3 regardless of OS, and it does so for less money.
Telling me that " all the cool kids are doing it!" won't convince me to spend more money for less performance. (Which is what this "market share" argument ammounts to)
Caporegime
Your assertion was not as a consumer, you said AMD's market share will go unless they offer cheap CPU's, market share isn't everything, if Intel sell a million $150 CPU's with a 10% margin they have made $15 Million, but AMD sell 300,000 $400 CPU's with a 60% margin they have made $72 Million.
Despite this Both Intel and AMD will make money on everything they sell, but supply constraints means they will prioritise higher margins, Intel aren't selling anything like as many high margin CPU's as AMD, in this short window until AMD refresh their CPU's Intel really needed to prove, if not only to themselves that people are willing to pay $300 and more for their CPU's as much or more than people are AMD's, and they haven't. This used to be AMD's problem.
Caporegime
I hope AMD have a Sub $200 range when they refresh, and AMD will make more money if they did, there are a lot of people holding off and waiting for them, but it depends on supply, if they sell everything they can make at the higher end why would they not do that?
Anyone would do the same in their shoes. Intel will not sell a million 12400F's because that is what they want or to be nice, it will be because that's all they can sell in high numbers. if they sold everything the made at the $400 range, there will be no 12400F's.
Anyone would do the same in their shoes. Intel will not sell a million 12400F's because that is what they want or to be nice, it will be because that's all they can sell in high numbers. if they sold everything the made at the $400 range, there will be no 12400F's.
Soldato
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Because 99% other consumers choose more expensive and less performance AMD cpu, clearly win for AMD, no reason to do price cut, they are growing. With those supply constrain AMD will sell every cpu they make, and people nowdays are saving money for better gpu because it gives bigger boost, and because it is ultra expensive people won't spend that money for cpu that gives very little benefits. Intel should released Alder Lake much much before, now they will suffer because most people have AM4 board and it is cheaper for them to buy only cpu and save money for better gpu, much better option than buying whole new platform for cpu and having less money for gpu.
Soldato
I contributed to AMD's recent sales numbers but I should point out the reasons why. I started building a sim rig last month for one of the people I race with IRL and chose a 5800x as the CPU for reasons that will not hold up for AMD over time:
1) Alderlake's new-architecture teething issues like DRM bugs that I don't want to risk for someone else. Intel, Microsoft, and game developers will get the bugs sorted out.
2) Holiday sale prices. I picked up a 5800X for $340. At that price, the 5800X was only slightly overpriced vs Intel's AL i5. (Price has since jumped back to full retail)
The holiday sale prices alone (on AMD CPU's) could account for AL's slow sales. Add in new architechture teething issues and you have the makings of some missplaced and temporary AMD smugness.
1) Alderlake's new-architecture teething issues like DRM bugs that I don't want to risk for someone else. Intel, Microsoft, and game developers will get the bugs sorted out.
2) Holiday sale prices. I picked up a 5800X for $340. At that price, the 5800X was only slightly overpriced vs Intel's AL i5. (Price has since jumped back to full retail)
The holiday sale prices alone (on AMD CPU's) could account for AL's slow sales. Add in new architechture teething issues and you have the makings of some missplaced and temporary AMD smugness.
Soldato
The bigger factor being the almost total lack of DDR5, and there being no reasonably priced motherboards around, spending around the same on a motherboard as a CPU is a big hurdle for a lot of people.
I literally can't count the number of system I've built this year, but I've done my best to recommend ADL when people have the budget and/or requirements, most of the low end builds have been Intel though, consisting of i5 11400 and 10400 on a B560 board, and most mid to high-end have been AMD 5600X-5900X, on a mix of B550/X570.
Given someone has created a coin that is mined very well with a CPU with lots of cache, does lead me to I think 3dvcache CPUs will sell out fast.
Almost like AMD create this CPU to be sold to miners of Raptoreum, which came first the cpu or the coin?
Almost like AMD create this CPU to be sold to miners of Raptoreum, which came first the cpu or the coin?
The same reason more people will spend £1400 on a 3080 rather than £1350 on a 6900XT.
Because they don’t?
Of course not that's why the retailers have plenty of 3080s while the 6900XT is all sold out.
Of course not that's why the retailers have plenty of 3080s while the 6900XT is all sold out.
Nvidia are selling its already supply constraint parts direct to mining companies. Pretty sure the numbers of people paying £1400 for a RTX3080 are next to nothing. Probably more people buying Alder lake TBH.
Caporegime
Jenson sold them direct to miners.Of course not that's why the retailers have plenty of 3080s while the 6900XT is all sold out.
Soldato
Jenson gets worshipped. He won the false hoodwink by creating the LHR and people bought it hook line and sinker.
Let's not pretend AMD doesn't have its fingers in the pie either.
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphir...phics-cards-to-cryptomining-hardware-retailer
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphir...i-22-gpu-and-10gb-memory-leaked-costs-750-eur
Caporegime
Sapphire and Powercolor.
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