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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022
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To give context we would be looking at the following if we used figures for the 3000 series in their first day sale prices I could see on Price Runner then they would look like this;
- 7950x = £749 / $1166 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £743.28
- 7900x = £480 / $747.82 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £512.21
- MIA 7800x £399 / $621.63 (CAD) - N/A
- 7700x = £320 / $498.55 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £405
- 7600x = £220 / $342.75 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £279
And the 5000 series numbers were
- 5950x = £749
- 5900x = £509
- 5800x = £419
- 5700x = £255 - MIA till April 22
- 5600x = £279
So the problem is the 5700x dropped way late and so had to come out at a price to suit the rest of the lineup and thus is farthest out of whack to what dropped 18 months earlier in the same series. The other chips would sit around the 5000 series price point then.
The 7700x is 5800x money though on that leaked pricing and by far the worst value out of them all. Either stick with the 7600x or jump to the 7900x cause the 7700x would be a dud there. My only assumption is the retailer(s) are using the 5800x pricing metric to get the 7700x list price at min for themselves.
- 7950x = £749 / $1166 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £743.28
- 7900x = £480 / $747.82 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £512.21
- MIA 7800x £399 / $621.63 (CAD) - N/A
- 7700x = £320 / $498.55 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £405
- 7600x = £220 / $342.75 (CAD) - conversion at moment with exchange based on current CAD £279
And the 5000 series numbers were
- 5950x = £749
- 5900x = £509
- 5800x = £419
- 5700x = £255 - MIA till April 22
- 5600x = £279
So the problem is the 5700x dropped way late and so had to come out at a price to suit the rest of the lineup and thus is farthest out of whack to what dropped 18 months earlier in the same series. The other chips would sit around the 5000 series price point then.
The 7700x is 5800x money though on that leaked pricing and by far the worst value out of them all. Either stick with the 7600x or jump to the 7900x cause the 7700x would be a dud there. My only assumption is the retailer(s) are using the 5800x pricing metric to get the 7700x list price at min for themselves.
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I’d be surprised if he 7800x is not £450. Assuming the figures above were the release day prices for the Uk.
I wonder if there will be a '7800X' at all, maybe they will only release a 7800X3D (possibly in time for Intel's 13th gen launch). There may be some logic in that. It could make the pricing of the 13th gen i9s look a bit silly (in a similar way to how the 5800X3D makes the pricing of the 12900K and KS look, while using much less power).
Hopefully there will be details on the X3D models in the announcement at the end of the month.
Hopefully there will be details on the X3D models in the announcement at the end of the month.
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So many dates of Intel/AMD/Nvidia the last few months its kinda confusing as I thought Zen 4 was November but its only 4 weeks away and the X3D announcement seems to be before the end of the year as I think this will become the gamers go to CPU.
I'll wait on my 12600k and DDR4 for the meantime but exciting times before the years end.
I'll wait on my 12600k and DDR4 for the meantime but exciting times before the years end.
Whose going to pay $300 and $450 for AMDs low end chips this time when in a few months they will probably be available for half of that since now we know for zen 3 they ripped consumers off.
As the saying goes fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.
As the saying goes fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.
But these are no low end chips. Low(ish) core count yes, but performance wise you can expect even a 6 core Zen4 to be faster than most/all current gen CPUs.
DDR5 still comes with premium and AM5 motherboards will be much more expensive than AM4 too.
You pay that premium to get top of the line gaming performance, not "low end"
When things put that way, 16 cores with 5.7-5.8 GHz boost... 7950X starts to look like a bargain to me...
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Agreed tho the 12600K is £300 and the 12700K is £420, i'm not convinced Intel want to get in to a pricing war with AMD and the onus is up on them.
The 10700K was $80 more expensive, the 10900K was also more expensive than the 5800X, tho to a lesser extent.
Thats not true, it was about a year before Zen 3 got a meaningful price reduction. I know that because you spent about a year moaning about it
I'm sure that had Intel not embarrassed zen 3 then we'd still be getting charged those heavy markups also bear in mind in that year we were all told Wafer, production and shipping costs all supposedly increased yet AMD have managed to cut almost 50% off the price and still make a profit so I certainly won't be fooled into paying over the odds again especially as this time it seems likely that zen 4 won't even beat ADL in MT at the $300/450 price points.
Also you have to remember than Vcache is due to arrive early next year so I can't see SKUs like the 7700/7800X remaining at $450 for long.
The 10700k still held a lead in MT through and the same for the 10850k which was cheaper than the 5800X at launch. The 5800X was $100 more than the 12600k and lost in everything while the 5600X was over $100 more than the 12400F so don't make out that only Intel is the bad guy.
Rumour mill says Zen4 release date has changed from 15 September to 27 September which is the same day as Raptor Lake
I hope AMD isn't trying to pull an Intel switch and bait to get reviewers to release Raptor lake reviews without comparing them to Zen4 as it won't work they'd just get roasted for it
I hope AMD isn't trying to pull an Intel switch and bait to get reviewers to release Raptor lake reviews without comparing them to Zen4 as it won't work they'd just get roasted for it
I love how the idiots who make up these rumours decide on 15th September and then decide that 'AMD has changed the date' to 27th, no, you just changed your mind you imbecile. (not anyone here, obvs, unless wccftech/videocardz/mlid/others are here, in which case yes you.)
Anyway...
Isn't the rumour that the 27th is the Raptor Lake Announcement day, not launch, so there wouldn't be Raptor Lake benchmarks then anyway it woud just be to steal the thunder from their launch...
Anyway...
Isn't the rumour that the 27th is the Raptor Lake Announcement day, not launch, so there wouldn't be Raptor Lake benchmarks then anyway it woud just be to steal the thunder from their launch...
Soldato
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AMD has not changed the date, the rumour mill has got the dates wrong!
Honestly how big of a penis can these rumour sites be? They predict a date, get it wrong and then to save face they frame it like AMD changed those dates, these people are #######
Soldato
Same as the Zen 3+ whole new product line that was cancelled ...according to them
Caporegime
The 10700K was 3% faster than the 5600X in MT.
The 5800X was 5% faster than the 10900K in MT.
The Ryzen CPU's also use less power, where faster in gaming, in fact the 5600X was faster in gaming about 7/10 times vs the 10900K
The 5600X was significantly cheaper than the 10700K, the 5800X was cheaper than the 10900K, its why i bought a 5800X and not a 10900K, it was faster, and cheaper and it used less power, a lot less.
We forget just how ####### good they were compared with Intel's offerings at the time.
AMD needs a cheap 8 core CPU this time around. That was the main issue with Zen 3. The 5600X was reasonable value though.
I waited for Zen 3 to come out, but was put off by the price of the 5800X, annoyed that the oem 5800 was cheaper but not available to buy.
I waited for Zen 3 to come out, but was put off by the price of the 5800X, annoyed that the oem 5800 was cheaper but not available to buy.
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