AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[DarrenM343]

It does makes sense, they can launch flagship Vega in 1H 2017 and then replace the 480/470 with the small Vega in 2H 2017 when those cards will be a year old.

That way if Nvidia have no new architecture to bring out in 2017, AMD will get the jump on them across the range. If big Vega (RX 490/590) can match 1080Ti/Titan XP and little Vega (485/580) is close to the performance of the 1070, it will be the year of AMD.

I don't get your reasoning. Given that by the time AMD release their top end the Pascal range will have been around for at least 9 months already, how will matching the 1080/TX mean it's the year for AMD? They need to exceed the 1080/TXP by a decent amount for that to happen. It will have been the year for Nvidia because their 9month old technology may only be matched. No 1080/TXP owners are going to sell up for an AMD card that matches the performance are they? Not many TXP owners are going to sell even for a 10% increase because they know Nvidia's next series is getting closer by the day.

It also matters when the performance is available to the customer and how far the competition is away from their own next gen.

I'm hoping AMD do well with vega but I reckon they've focused on the CPU side of the business more and will be surprised if Vega blows anyone away other than the fanboys . I'm expecting a 20-30% increase in performance over the TXP given how late they are to the party but doubt that will happen. Anyone who gets excited about matching the performance for similar £ will be a bit daft. TXP performance for £300 less would be appealing to some but then Nvidia will just drop the prices.

Also worth noting the head at AMD recently stated how they can invest more in R&D as they improve sales - a sign to me they know they're not going to blow people away due to lack of R&D funding currently - they can't compete in other words.

 

[Doom112]

I don't get your reasoning. Given that by the time AMD release their top end the Pascal range will have been around for at least 9 months already, how will matching the 1080/TX mean it's the year for AMD? They need to exceed the 1080/TXP by a decent amount for that to happen. It will have been the year for Nvidia because their 9month old technology may only be matched. No 1080/TXP owners are going to sell up for an AMD card that matches the performance are they? Not many TXP owners are going to sell even for a 10% increase because they know Nvidia's next series is getting closer by the day.

It also matters when the performance is available to the customer and how far the competition is away from their own next gen.

I'm hoping AMD do well with vega but I reckon they've focused on the CPU side of the business more and will be surprised if Vega blows anyone away other than the fanboys . I'm expecting a 20-30% increase in performance over the TXP given how late they are to the party but doubt that will happen. Anyone who gets excited about matching the performance for similar £ will be a bit daft. TXP performance for £300 less would be appealing to some but then Nvidia will just drop the prices.

Also worth noting the head at AMD recently stated how they can invest more in R&D as they improve sales - a sign to me they know they're not going to blow people away due to lack of R&D funding currently - they can't compete in other words.

posting logic in AMD topic is not allowed.

 

[Kaapstad]

I don't get your reasoning. Given that by the time AMD release their top end the Pascal range will have been around for at least 9 months already, how will matching the 1080/TX mean it's the year for AMD? They need to exceed the 1080/TXP by a decent amount for that to happen. It will have been the year for Nvidia because their 9month old technology may only be matched. No 1080/TXP owners are going to sell up for an AMD card that matches the performance are they? Not many TXP owners are going to sell even for a 10% increase because they know Nvidia's next series is getting closer by the day.

It also matters when the performance is available to the customer and how far the competition is away from their own next gen.

I'm hoping AMD do well with vega but I reckon they've focused on the CPU side of the business more and will be surprised if Vega blows anyone away other than the fanboys . I'm expecting a 20-30% increase in performance over the TXP given how late they are to the party but doubt that will happen. Anyone who gets excited about matching the performance for similar £ will be a bit daft. TXP performance for £300 less would be appealing to some but then Nvidia will just drop the prices.

Also worth noting the head at AMD recently stated how they can invest more in R&D as they improve sales - a sign to me they know they're not going to blow people away due to lack of R&D funding currently - they can't compete in other words.

RX 480 is selling quite well.

AMD don't have to beat the 1080 or PTX cards, they just have to do it better than the NVidia cards at their price points.

Next target for AMD would be a card that can out do the GTX 1070.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Where is the evidence the 480 sold well? 1060 dominating on steam.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

[DarrenM343]

RX 480 is selling quite well.

AMD don't have to beat the 1080 or PTX cards, they just have to do it better than the NVidia cards at their price points.

Next target for AMD would be a card that can out do the GTX 1070.

Will be an interesting 6-12 months anyway

Maybe we should all agree to buy an AMD card to help keep Nvidia real on pricing .
Problem I still have at the moment is forgetting some of the bad experiences of AMD products in the past so will still take a lot to tempt me over to try one of their products again - a cheaper price doesn't sway me it would need to be a stand out product.

 

[Kaapstad]

Where is the evidence the 480 sold well? 1060 dominating on steam.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I think Gibbo is quite happy with the sales and they outsell the 1060s on these forums too.

 

[Killer7xx]

I don't get your reasoning. Given that by the time AMD release their top end the Pascal range will have been around for at least 9 months already, how will matching the 1080/TX mean it's the year for AMD? They need to exceed the 1080/TXP by a decent amount for that to happen. It will have been the year for Nvidia because their 9month old technology may only be matched. No 1080/TXP owners are going to sell up for an AMD card that matches the performance are they? Not many TXP owners are going to sell even for a 10% increase because they know Nvidia's next series is getting closer by the day.

It also matters when the performance is available to the customer and how far the competition is away from their own next gen.

I'm hoping AMD do well with vega but I reckon they've focused on the CPU side of the business more and will be surprised if Vega blows anyone away other than the fanboys . I'm expecting a 20-30% increase in performance over the TXP given how late they are to the party but doubt that will happen. Anyone who gets excited about matching the performance for similar £ will be a bit daft. TXP performance for £300 less would be appealing to some but then Nvidia will just drop the prices.

Also worth noting the head at AMD recently stated how they can invest more in R&D as they improve sales - a sign to me they know they're not going to blow people away due to lack of R&D funding currently - they can't compete in other words.

Not everyone who wants a 1080/Titan XP level card has upgraded yet, a lot of people still have a 980Ti or a Nano/Fury/FuryX and are possibly looking to upgrade next year. People will want to buy the newest thing, so as long as AMD have competitive pricing and performance, the newer Vega cards with HBM2 will be more attractive to purchase. 9 month old Nvidia cards are not so attractive these days when they age like milk and rot away in performance after Nvidia releases their new greatest thing.

There's a good chance that Volta may not be released or ready for the gaming market in 2017, Nvidia so far have only mentioned launching Volta based GPUs for the professional market in 2017. If that is actually the case, then it's not hard to see how AMD could dominate the year with Zen and a whole updated range of desktop GPUs using Vega.

 

[DarrenM343]

Not everyone who wants a 1080/Titan XP level card has upgraded yet, a lot of people still have a 980Ti or a Nano/Fury/FuryX and are possibly looking to upgrade next year. People will want to buy the newest thing, so as long as AMD have competitive pricing and performance, the newer Vega cards with HBM2 will be more attractive to purchase. 9 month old Nvidia cards are not so attractive these days when they age like milk and rot away in performance after Nvidia releases their new greatest thing.

There's a good chance that Volta may not be released or ready for the gaming market in 2017, Nvidia so far have only mentioned launching Volta based GPUs for the professional market in 2017. If that is actually the case, then it's not hard to see how AMD could dominate the year with Zen and a whole updated range of desktop GPUs using Vega.

Depends if HBM2 makes a good benefit or not in use rather than being put there as a marketing gimmick . I think a few have said it's not needed at the moment but of course we all need to see if that's true when implemented
I think AMD could do well if they are able to have some CPU and GPU trickery going on to improve performance when used together, again something that works in practice and has a benefit - I did wonder that a while ago. That's what could bring in some big £ for them

I think Volta will be ready if it's needed and disagree about the rot !

 

[Rroff]

I think Gibbo is quite happy with the sales and they outsell the 1060s on these forums too.

There is a bit of a fallacy with those numbers though - the people who tend to be fairly active here, benchmarking, etc. tend to for the larger part be those that buy into the top 2 tiers of cards - previously cards in the upper middle range were under represented here - but with this generation diehard AMD owners in that category are left with the 480 (or Fury but that is another matter) or nothing. (Not sure how well I'm putting the point across).

Wider sales figures though the 480 has done well doesn't really stack up the same as the typical forum numbers or even OcUK numbers somewhat due to OEM usage, etc.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Where is the evidence the 480 sold well? 1060 dominating on steam.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

RX480 did not sold well, the demands is seemed slowed down but both 1070 and 1060 are the fastest growth popular cards, 1060 outsold RX480 4 to 1 worldwide. it amazed both 1070 and 1060 are in the top 10 rank and it will be very interesting next month to see how far it will move up the rank.

I visited a retailer website which has real time sales tracking and added up all the totals through Pascal and Polaris sales lifetime.

12,340 RX480
5,810 RX470
2,295 RX460

13,790 1080
31,795 1070
27,230 1060
3,260 1050 Ti
495 1050

The figures build a very interesting picture showed there was not much growth in RX480 as demands seemed either slowed down or stalled, it is incredible to see 1060 outsold RX480, RX470 and RX460 all combined. I am surprised many people preferred to buy more expensive 1050 Ti over cheaper 1050 and it is nearly 2 months old easy outsold RX460 which was launched back in August. 1070 and 1060 are the most popular Pascal graphics cards that matched Steam survey data.

 

[r7slayer]

RX480 did not sold well, the demands is seemed slowed down but both 1070 and 1060 are the fastest growth popular cards, 1060 outsold RX480 4 to 1 worldwide. it amazed both 1070 and 1060 are in the top 10 rank and it will be very interesting next month to see how far it will move up the rank.

I visited a retailer website which has real time sales tracking and added up all the totals through Pascal and Polaris sales lifetime.

12,340 RX480
5,810 RX470
2,295 RX460

13,790 1080
31,795 1070
27,230 1060
3,260 1050 Ti
495 1050

The figures build a very interesting picture showed there was not much growth in RX480 as demands seemed either slowed down or stalled, it is incredible to see 1060 outsold RX480, RX470 and RX460 all combined. I am surprised many people preferred to buy more expensive 1050 Ti over cheaper 1050 and it is nearly 2 months old easy outsold RX460 which was launched back in August. 1070 and 1060 are the most popular Pascal graphics cards that matched Steam survey data.

Can i have a link please for reference. I could do with showing some one these figures.

 

[humbug]

There is a bit of a fallacy with those numbers though - the people who tend to be fairly active here, benchmarking, etc. tend to for the larger part be those that buy into the top 2 tiers of cards - previously cards in the upper middle range were under represented here - but with this generation diehard AMD owners in that category are left with the 480 (or Fury but that is another matter) or nothing. (Not sure how well I'm putting the point across).

Wider sales figures though the 480 has done well doesn't really stack up the same as the typical forum numbers or even OcUK numbers somewhat due to OEM usage, etc.

Doesn't stack up? it was launched in Q2 2016, during that quarter AMD's market share went from 21% to 29%, Nvidia launched the 1060 in Q3, AMD's market share stayed at 29%.

The 480 made a huge impact, increasing AMD's share by 25%, just one GPU, when Nvidia released a competitor it made no impact on that what-so-ever.

You already know all this ^^^^ why do you keep banging on like its crucial to you that it sticks?

Just for once why not actually explain your statements, how does it not stack up to you?

 

[melmac]

I don't get your reasoning. Given that by the time AMD release their top end the Pascal range will have been around for at least 9 months already, how will matching the 1080/TX mean it's the year for AMD? They need to exceed the 1080/TXP by a decent amount for that to happen. It will have been the year for Nvidia because their 9month old technology may only be matched. No 1080/TXP owners are going to sell up for an AMD card that matches the performance are they? Not many TXP owners are going to sell even for a 10% increase because they know Nvidia's next series is getting closer by the day.

It also matters when the performance is available to the customer and how far the competition is away from their own next gen.

I'm hoping AMD do well with vega but I reckon they've focused on the CPU side of the business more and will be surprised if Vega blows anyone away other than the fanboys . I'm expecting a 20-30% increase in performance over the TXP given how late they are to the party but doubt that will happen. Anyone who gets excited about matching the performance for similar £ will be a bit daft. TXP performance for £300 less would be appealing to some but then Nvidia will just drop the prices.

Also worth noting the head at AMD recently stated how they can invest more in R&D as they improve sales - a sign to me they know they're not going to blow people away due to lack of R&D funding currently - they can't compete in other words.

Except AMD aren't in that rat race anymore. They have tried that for years and it hasn't worked. They don't have to release a card that's faster than the TXP. What's important is that they get good cards out at the whatever price points they are aiming for with Vega, not over stretch themselves and try to compete at the highest level when most of the money is the mid range and main stream markets. The road to recovery is going to be a long one. And it's more important that they produce solid cards that keep improving.

And Polaris was a big step forward. What is important is that Polaris has sold very well for AMD, best selling cards for years. It shows that they can compete despite the small R&D. All they need is for Vega to improve on the Polaris launch.

posting logic in AMD topic is not allowed.

Oh will you stop, all you read from that post was "AMD can't compete" There isn't much logic in Darren's post, only the usual AMD is doomed.

RX 480 is selling quite well.

AMD don't have to beat the 1080 or PTX cards, they just have to do it better than the NVidia cards at their price points.

Next target for AMD would be a card that can out do the GTX 1070.

See, Kaapstad gets it.

AMD are on the slow road to recovery. It's not going to happen all at once, and expecting that is not logical at all. If Polaris is any indication of the future than AMD are on the right tracks.

 

[old gamer]

RX 480 is selling quite well.

AMD don't have to beat the 1080 or PTX cards, they just have to do it better than the NVidia cards at their price points.

Next target for AMD would be a card that can out do the GTX 1070.

I think your spot on there, a card priced right with performance in between 1070/80 will sell very well.
There must be quite a few like me with Freesync that could not care less how fast nvidia cards are but just want a amd that does the job

 

[Doom112]

I think your spot on there, a card priced right with performance in between 1070/80 will sell very well.
There must be quite a few like me with Freesync that could not care less how fast nvidia cards are but just want a amd that does the job

Freesync>Gsync.

 

[old gamer]

Freesync>Gsync.

Go on then I'll bite, what does that mean

 

[Bonjour]

Freesync is greater than G-Sync?

 

[Panos]

Freesync is greater than G-Sync?

And way cheaper.....

 

[r7slayer]

Freesync>Gsync.

In all seriousness in what way? Never used Freesync but used Gsync so i am curious because i could quite easily move back to AMD when Vega comes out and ends up being great.

 

[Rroff]

Doesn't stack up? it was launched in Q2 2016, during that quarter AMD's market share went from 21% to 29%, Nvidia launched the 1060 in Q3, AMD's market share stayed at 29%.

The 480 made a huge impact, increasing AMD's share by 25%, just one GPU, when Nvidia released a competitor it made no impact on that what-so-ever.

You already know all this ^^^^ why do you keep banging on like its crucial to you that it sticks?

Just for once why not actually explain your statements, how does it not stack up to you?

I have explained it - in terms of wider (global) sales figures the 1060 has outsold the 480 by a much bigger margin than the representation on your typical tech forum, etc. (even if that is somewhat due to the usage by system builders, etc.) that isn't any reflection on the impact of the 480.

Your figures don't mean the 1060 hasn't sold or give any indication of numbers sold - just means that it hasn't pulled significantly from the AMD customer base, that new customer uptake split hasn't changed the balance and that most of the sales are nVidia customers upgrading.

In all seriousness in what way? Never used Freesync but used Gsync so i am curious because i could quite easily move back to AMD when Vega comes out and ends up being great.

Only thing FreeSync has over G-Sync is cost, it could be argued that for the average consumer the differences aren't so apparent but G-Sync still has better compatibility with windowed modes, etc. (though something AMD are working on), better framerate floor behaviour and most G-Sync panels support a fuller range of refresh rates, I could go on but these are mostly minor differences but pedantically G-Sync has more advantages.